Britain Declares - NHS Limits on Fat People

Originally posted by soleran30
I agree with most of what you are saying.........I get touchy about it (obviously) because I am passionate about fitness and proper eating. I get a bit tired of hearing people from where I live make excuses ALL the time about eating habbits and lack of exercise. 😉

me too...i'm at the gym most days...boxing...rugby...you name it...i do it

i just think its a disgrace to exclude people from something they are paying for

if a person is too fat and you say its because they watch too much tv and dont get any exercise...you wouldn't let them go into shop...pay for a big plasma screen 50 incher and then tell them they're to fat and aren't getting to watch it...and then still keep their money

thats basically analogous to what the government are doing

The BMI piece is incorrect a great deal of the time and for many things allowances are made at least in the USA based on lean body mass as well.

While it is certainly true that - generally speaking - people do too little and eat too much, the processed food industry - especially fast food - also covertly "encourages" obesity because this fuels the multibillion dollar diet industry.

Generally speaking, a free-market economy can't flourish the way it does if most people are normal, healthy and psychologically happy with themselves. "Need states" diminish. It's very hard to Sell to this type of population.

Let's be clear here, it is Doctors, not the Government, making these suggestions; the Government is simply amenable to medical opinion because, simply, something has to be done about the money issue.

It is also highly incorrect to draw any correlation between your tax money going into the NHS and whatever treatement you receive. It doesn't work like that. National Insurance is paid as a form of collective social responsibility- you pay for the NHS even if you never use it in your life.

If you rule yourself out of treatment you can't use the fact you paid taxes as a reason to dispute that, We are lucky to have had a universal health service for some time but that is simply not viable- and this kind of solution, where keeping healthy will have to be a two-way process, will be what we see more of in the future.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Let's be clear here, it is Doctors, not the Government, making these suggestions; the Government is simply amenable to medical opinion because, simply, something has to be done about the money issue.

It is also highly incorrect to draw any ocrrelation between your tax money going into the NHS and whatever treatement you receive. It doesn't work like that. National Insurance is paid as a form of collective social responsibility- you pay for the NHS even if you never use it in your life.

If you rule yourself out of treatment you can't use the fact you paid taxes as a reason to dispute that, We are lucky to have had a universal health service for some time but that is simply not viable- and this kind of solution, where keeping healthy will have to be a two-way process, will be what we see more of in the future.

And this is why it needs to go 🙂

I can;t see that helping- lose the NHS and you just have a system where the poor get no treatment at all.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Let's be clear here, it is Doctors, not the Government, making these suggestions; the Government is simply amenable to medical opinion because, simply, something has to be done about the money issue.

It is also highly incorrect to draw any correlation between your tax money going into the NHS and whatever treatement you receive. It doesn't work like that. National Insurance is paid as a form of collective social responsibility- you pay for the NHS even if you never use it in your life.

If you rule yourself out of treatment you can't use the fact you paid taxes as a reason to dispute that, We are lucky to have had a universal health service for some time but that is simply not viable- and this kind of solution, where keeping healthy will have to be a two-way process, will be what we see more of in the future.

so you're saying that the NHS should be paid for by the unhealthy...in order to keep the healthy people healthy

given that counting overweight people, drinkers and smokers who are all to be excluded from treatment make up a majority of the population

you say something has to be done about the money issue

you only need to look at the jobs available in the NHS to see the waste and inefficiency

http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?rownum=1&sort_order=D&display_type=T&show_desc=Y&class_session_id=&jbe_exists=0&scc=NH&total_hits=2554&resonly=0

jobs such as associated director of planned care?...at a mere £75,000 a year

Originally posted by jaden101
so you're saying that the NHS should be paid for by the unhealthy...in order to keep the healthy people healthy

given that counting overweight people, drinkers and smokers who are all to be excluded from treatment make up a majority of the population

you say something has to be done about the money issue

you only need to look at the jobs available in the NHS to see the waste and inefficiency

http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch?rownum=1&sort_order=D&display_type=T&show_desc=Y&class_session_id=&jbe_exists=0&scc=NH&total_hits=2554&resonly=0

jobs such as associated director of planned care?...at a mere £75,000 a year

They didn't pay me that much as an MLSO trust me 🙁

😂 i read the title wrong...I thought it said NHL 😄

The whole system is tough🙂 Adverse selection is always rough on systems that give health care to everyone............healthcare systems need to transition to prevention instead of containment.........when you have to contain its already to late.