Wonderman Vs Apollo

Originally posted by batdude123
Don't you EVER say that Billy should beat Supes when I'm around. 😠 😛 😄

I'm sorry, but I'm of the mind that if you create "weaknesses" for a character, they should actually be weaknesses. The number of times the walking-PIS-machine (Supes) has simply ignored the effects of magic and/or red-sun energy is sickening.

The Thor crossover is a great example.

That, more than anything, is why I can't like him. Making him unstoppable in a normal brawl is fine by me. But not when he's confronted with one of his weaknesses.

Originally posted by batdude123
while Apollo was punching Atom, he was just sitting there and analyzing him.

No, he was lying there desperately trying to come up with a way of not being pummeled to death... it's pretty clear:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm sorry, but I'm of the mind that if you create "weaknesses" for a character, they should actually be weaknesses. The number of times the walking-PIS-machine (Supes) has simply ignored the effects of magic and/or red-sun energy is sickening.

The Thor crossover is a great example.

That, more than anything, is why I can't like him. Making him unstoppable in a normal brawl is fine by me. But not when he's confronted with one of his weaknesses.

It's not exactly a weakness, persay. He's actually more durable to it than most characters are. Nobody is invulnerable or immune to magic, because that's what it is.... MAGIC. Magic is the great equilizer because it isn't based on anything, while science is proven by experiments, theories, and laws. Those can't be broken unless there is an outside influence. Magic can do anything. However, it's been proved that Superman can will himself through magical effects before, so POOP. 😐 And also....... Superman is faster and more versatile. 😗

Originally posted by Skeets
I'm not to sure about that since hulk is a 7 and he start's off around class 70........... before getting enraged

Only Professor Hulk starts off that low - most other incarnations start off base strength 100+

Originally posted by Scoobless
No, he was lying there desperately trying to come up with a way of not being pummeled to death... it's pretty clear:

Um, nope. Atom stated in the next panel that it would take hours of pummeling him for Apollo to kill Nathaniel. You also missed the part of Apollo cheap-shotting him to get to that exact spot. He was fighting off Midnighter and Apollo. Right after that, Nathaniel almost killed Apollo.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's not exactly a weakness, persay. He's actually more durable to it than most characters are. Nobody is invulnerable or immune to magic, because that's what it is.... MAGIC. Magic is the great equilizer because it isn't based on anything, while science is proven by experiments, theories, and laws. Those can't be broken unless there is an outside influence. Magic can do anything. However, it's been proved that Superman can will himself through magical effects before, so POOP. 😐 And also....... Superman is faster and more versatile. 😗

So POOP?!? Gotta love debating like that. 😂

Meh, it's supposed to be a specific weakness for Supes though, and has been stated as such many times. "Willing himself through it" is just DC code for bad writing. But I guess it's Superman, so 'Super-Will' is probably a new power. 🙄

[QUOTE=7265515]Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]Meh, it's supposed to be a specific weakness for Supes though, and has been stated as such many times. "Willing himself through it" is j

Originally posted by batdude123
Um, nope. Atom stated in the next panel that it would take hours of pummeling him for Apollo to kill Nathaniel.

Yeah, he said that purely to trick Apollo into going to the sun where, again, Atom was in danger of being killed if his one shot trick didn't work in time

Originally posted by batdude123
You also missed the part of Apollo cheap-shotting him to get to that exact spot. He was fighting off Midnighter and Apollo. Right after that, Nathaniel almost killed Apollo.

It's not a cheap shot when both your opponents anounce their presence then you stupidly stop paying attention to one of them
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Here's the scene:

Apollo and Midnighter make no attempt to sneak up on anyone:

Midnighter even gives a verbal warning of what's about to happen:

Atom can't even defend himself when Apollo starts laying into him so he is desperately looking for a way out of it:

He insults him and tricks him into taking him to the sun (which is the only way he could think of to beat him)

He uses his powers to... well ... just read what it says in the scan

Apollo recovers from that fairly quickly and isn't even remotely fazed by Atom's blasts when he gets back up:

It's all very clear!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So POOP?!? Gotta love debating like that. 😂

Meh, it's supposed to be a specific weakness for Supes though, and has been stated as such many times. "Willing himself through it" is just DC code for bad writing. But I guess it's Superman, so 'Super-Will' is probably a new power. 🙄

Hey, I do what I can. 😉

Anyway, it's been established that Superman keeps his powers in reserve majorly most of the time. Also, his powers are based on will, in which he has an almost infinite amount of. Hey, don't look at me wierd, Avy has the scan. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
Hey, I do what I can. 😉

Anyway, it's been established that Superman keeps his powers in reserve majorly most of the time. Also, his powers are based on will, in which he has an almost infinite amount of. Hey, don't look at me wierd, Avy has the scan. 😛

I wonder if anyone realises that I originally started this thread on Wonderman's side.... and I'm yet to be convinced that Apollo could beat him.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah, he said that purely to trick Apollo into going to the sun where, again, Atom was in danger of being killed if his one shot trick didn't work in time

It's not a cheap shot when both your opponents anounce their presence then you stupidly stop paying attention to one of them
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Here's the scene:

Apollo and Midnighter make no attempt to sneak up on anyone:

Midnighter even gives a verbal warning of what's about to happen:

Atom can't even defend himself when Apollo starts laying into him so he is desperately looking for a way out of it:

He insults him and tricks him into taking him to the sun (which is the only way he could think of to beat him)

He uses his powers to... well ... just read what it says in the scan

Apollo recovers from that fairly quickly and isn't even remotely fazed by Atom's blasts when he gets back up:

It's all very clear!

Apparently, what happened before all that doesn't seem to interest you at all!

He was blasted by Nikola, Quantum lept, and fought off Angie before that happened. He had Midnighter, then Apollo saw his advantage and socked him in the mouth which was all he needed. Yeah, Apollo gave him a few good licks. However, don't you think that was kind of PIS'ish the way that happened? He couldn't have just blasted Apollo off of him the way he did to Majestic? 🙄 Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. He OUTSMARTED Apollo by taking him to the sun. He saw a weakness and took the initiative to use that advantage. Btw, he nearly killed Apollo, and then Atom says and I quote:

"There's only one way for him to save himself now... I can't hear him, out here in space, but I know what he's saying... He's saying 'door.'"

Then he fights Midnighter and Apollo off at the same time, but then realizes what he needed to do... and he stopped fighting and gave in. Not exactly worth mentioning as I said.

Hmmmm....... nah.... I'm sticking with my interpretation.... since you're wrong ... 😛

Three mini fightgs against Apollo and not once could he hurt him using only his own powers

And the PISish thing... it was PIS that he beat Majestic in the first place

hmm, why did they need to go to the sun? if atom could control the solar energy inside apollo and speed it up, why not just do it on earth? he didn't have enough stored in him already? why not just take it right out of him?

i have no idea if apollo could beat wonderman, but the atom fight seemed kinda . . . lame. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, why did they need to go to the sun? if atom could control the solar energy inside apollo and speed it up, why not just do it on earth? he didn't have enough stored in him already? why not just take it right out of him?

i have no idea if apollo could beat wonderman, but the atom fight seemed kinda . . . lame. 😬

It was lame. Atom should've ripped him limb from limb. 😛

Majestic should've beaten Atom. But, iirc he was dying anyway, so thats not a bad showing.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I wonder if anyone realises that I originally started this thread on Wonderman's side.... and I'm yet to be convinced that Apollo could beat him.

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Yeah, no one cares about Wonderman. The Atom controversy is much more interesting. 😛

I... I care about Wonder Man...

He never returns my calls though... cry

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, why did they need to go to the sun? if atom could control the solar energy inside apollo and speed it up, why not just do it on earth? he didn't have enough stored in him already? why not just take it right out of him?

i have no idea if apollo could beat wonderman, but the atom fight seemed kinda . . . lame. 😬

Yeah the whole things seems very confusing as Majestic is quite a bit stronger than Apollo, where as Captain Atom is seen defeating Majestic quite easilly. I think the general consensus from D.C. is that Captain Atom is atleast as powerful as Supes, but not quite as Durable. I think we are going to find out soon enough 😉 . I really don't associate Wonderman on these guys, level of power. I've seen him struggling to lift Skyskrapers and fail to overpower 50,000 ton press. I've seen him being taken out by Ultron robots, and Kang was going to have him executed with firearms . I've still to see any scans of him lifting the entire Avengers Hydrobase ? Apollo is too much for him, as is Captain Atom.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
JLU's sweet, but I hate that Supes always has to win. He punked Billy too...and both Cpt. Atom and Cpt. Marvel have access to his 2 weaknesses, magic and red sun. They should win. 😬

Yeah but does it matter I mean Superman has had more experience more then both of those heroes with bigger powerful things and not only that these heroes always hold back during fighting and never use full force at certain times.