Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The entire foundation of the divide is that Cyclops believes Utopia is worth dying for. He was going to stand there on his own and sacrifice his life to protect it, and now Wolverine is threatening to blow it up. Cyclops is willing to risk his life and the future of the mutant race (Hope) to protect Utopia, and Wolverine isn't. Cyclops' thinks Utopia is a symbol and represents something worth dying for, Wolverine thinks Utopia is a bunch of rocks and while he is willing to risk his own life for it, he won't risk Hopes or the five lights. There isn't really an acceptable compromise in there.I'm pretty sure the blast that stops the Sentinel form squashing them is Idie and Gen Hope returning to fight not the on route X-Men. Idie is going to die in the next issue which will be the impetus for the split. Wolverine will be right in that Gen Hope was just kids and if they fought there would be casualties, and Cyclops will be right in that them fighting would buy time for reinforcements to arrive. Wolverine doesn't think the lose of a child's live is worth it, Cyclops does.
Idie is alive she's shown on both covers for Wolverine and the X-Men. I honestly don't think there's going to be anything else that sets the split. I am hoping there's more to it because this alone is not reason for every X-Men to choose a side. Emma for example has voiced her hatred for Utopia so it doesn't make much sense for her to stay on it either.
Plus Emma agrees with Wolverine that kids should be kids. So that was why I was hoping there's more.
Plus the kids have sided with Cyclops here. Short of Wolverine kidnapping them I don't see how they're going to side with him.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ironically you two do the same as Cyclops and Wolverine 😛
I have no side at the moment. I think both are being ridiculous. I was more inclined with letting Idie choose in the previous issue. And in this issue I just can't see the logic in staying and fighting for piece of rock that has been rebuilt multiple times. So in I feel both have been right and very wrong. Both are delusional. Cyclops has some sort of weird Utopia fetish and Wolverine has done a complete 180 since he killed all his bastard children. His judgement is clouded since that incident.
I don't know, maybe the stakes weren't high enough.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Idie is alive she's shown on both covers for Wolverine and the X-Men. I honestly don't think there's going to be anything else that sets the split. I am hoping there's more to it because this alone is not reason for every X-Men to choose a side. Emma for example has voiced her hatred for Utopia so it doesn't make much sense for her to stay on it either.Plus Emma agrees with Wolverine that kids should be kids. So that was why I was hoping there's more.
Plus the kids have sided with Cyclops here. Short of Wolverine kidnapping them I don't see how they're going to side with him.
I think it is a misdirect. We've seen all of X-Factor on those covers as well and Peter David said one of them is going to die. Frost is just siding with team Cyclops because she has an elegance to Scott.
Gen Hope isn't going to side with Wolverine. He is treating them like children (because they are) and children don't like being patronized. It kind of reminds me when Sam's brother was dieing in True Blood and instead of saving him with vampire blood they just let him die because it was "his choice." Kid was like eight teen years old, who cares what he wants someone should have stepped in and made the right choice for him, because he wasn't qualified to make it himself.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I have no side at the moment. I think both are being ridiculous. I was more inclined with letting Idie choose in the previous issue. And in this issue I just can't see the logic in staying and fighting for piece of rock that has been rebuilt multiple times. So in I feel both have been right and very wrong. Both are delusional. Cyclops has some sort of weird Utopia fetish and Wolverine has done a complete 180 since he killed all his bastard children. His judgement is clouded since that incident.I don't know, maybe the stakes weren't high enough.
Hehe
I don't have a side at the moment because I think the stakes are too high. Even if Wolverine feels he is right and Cyclops is wrong, I don't see how putting his foot down and taking half of the fighting forces away from Utopia or where ever the X-Men are setting up shop is justifiable. The X-Men are the last line of defense for the entire mutant population, who at the moment resides on Utopia. How is taking half the fight forces away a smart thing to do? The X-Men are attacked and almost defeated every other month.
Wolverine's stance in this is pretty much lock step with his characterization since Claremonte was writing him. Wolverine does the dirty work so the rest of the X-Men won't have too. We saw in the past he was even willing to kill Rachel to stop her from killing Selene. Even ft it makes no sense, that is, and has always been, his thought process.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
HeheI don't have a side at the moment because I think the stakes are too high. Even if Wolverine feels he is right and Cyclops is wrong, I don't see how putting his foot down and taking have of the fighting forces away from Utopia or where ever the X-Men are setting up shop is justifiable. The X-Men are the last line of defense for the entire mutant population, who at the moment resides on Utopia. How is taking half the fight forces away a smart thing to do? The X-Men are attacked and almost defeated every other month.
Wolverine's stance in this is pretty much lock step with his characterization since Claremonte was writing him. Wolverine does the dirty work so the rest of the X-Men won't have too. We saw in the past he was even willing to kill Rachel to stop her from killing Selene. If it it makes no sense, that is, and has always been his thought process.
Well...I meant the children thing. He's changed his tune. He was willing to trust Kitty when she was 14. He didn't mind Jubilee either and most recently this:
Aaron said the last Wolverine arc will effect his decisions in Schism. So I guess that's why he feels so strongly about the kids not fighting.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/065/2/3/Siege__Thor_vs_Sentry_Deadpool_by_PaulVincent.jpg
How Siege should have ended.
It's not children fighting in and of itself that he is objecting, it's that he doesn't think they are in a place where it is appropriate for them to makes the choices or carry out the actions Cyclops is asking them to. Scott saying "You should have trained the better then!" doesn't change the fact that they aren't ready for the task he expecting them to do.
Jubilee, Kitty and to some extend Armor are in a different boat because that is when the X-Men were playing at being superheroes. X-Men are soldiers now, the stakes are higher, and you don't pad the front lines with child fodder from a military academy, you use soldiers.
Originally posted by FanboyThat's actually how Siege ended.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/065/2/3/Siege__Thor_vs_Sentry_Deadpool_by_PaulVincent.jpgHow Siege should have ended.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI loled when I pictured this.
I don't want to diminish your time as a life guard but the two things aren't even remotely comparable. It's not the situation in and of it's self that is causing them to "lose their heads" but the method in which the other is intending to deal with it. They've both put their foot down and neither will compromise. You hear about stuff like this happening periodically in the military when people start clashing over orders they don't agree with and have decide they need to take a stand even if it involves court martial or dishonorable discharge. Maybe if there were two life guards, and there was a tsunami coming to the beach, and one life guard was saying "get ready kids, when the tsunami comes be ready to help save the drowning people!" and the other life guard was saying "Lets get out of here it's a ****ing tsunami, we will all die!" and the first life guard said "This is our beach! We aren't running from our own beach!" you might have something comparable.Except for it's his home and he doesn't want to run away without a fight?
