Originally posted by iceman24567
All that i can deal with but sending children to their deaths not so much
Xavier did that too.
In fairness I think Hellion and probably Hope could have taken the Sentinel down or at least stalled it till the other X-Men arrived. The in fighting between him and Wolverine royally pissed me off.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakXavier has always been a douche though plus those kids are part of a nearly extinct race atleast Xavier had a larger batch of cattle to pick from 🙂
Xavier did that too.In fairness I think Hellion and probably Hope could have taken the Sentinel down or at least stalled it till the other X-Men arrived. The in fighting between him and Wolverine royally pissed me off.
I am sure she would then again this Sentinel seems different than most
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cyclops is more douche than Stark currently I'd say.
At least they're toning him down. And what happened in Uncanny wasn't his fault.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Xavier has always been a douche though plus those kids are part of a nearly extinct race atleast Xavier had a larger batch of cattle to pick from 🙂I am sure she would then again this Sentinel seems different than most
Xavier sent 16 year old kids up against Magneto, Sentinels and The Juggernaut, and they didn't have half the training that the current kids do.
And they weren't half as powerful either.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Xavier has always been a douche though plus those kids are part of a nearly extinct race atleast Xavier had a larger batch of cattle to pick from 🙂I am sure she would then again this Sentinel seems different than most
Those kids were going to get killed anyways, Cyclops just makes their impending death more of a fight instead of a massacre.
Originally posted by -Pr-The difference between the two are obvious either way you look at it they both pretty much lead the lambs to slaughter but for the most part nobody stood up to Xavier and said "listen stop being a douche.." Wolverine on the other hand straight up told Summers he's being a complete square
At least they're toning him down. And what happened in Uncanny wasn't his fault.Xavier sent 16 year old kids up against Magneto, Sentinels and The Juggernaut, and they didn't have half the training that the current kids do.
And they weren't half as powerful either.
Originally posted by iceman24567
The difference between the two are obvious either way you look at it they both pretty much lead the lambs to slaughter but for the most part nobody stood up to Xavier and said "listen stop being a douche.." Wolverine on the other hand straight up told Summers he's being a complete square
To be honest I don't exactly understand what Wolverine stands for. Summers thinks that being a mutant shouldn't be a life of hiding and running, and that at least in Utopia you can wear your mutant colors openly. Xavier wouldn't/shouldn't agree with Utopia as a concept, Magneto might.
Originally posted by BentleyHe's right in a way but running sometimes is the best option a GOOD leader knows that hell Wolverine knows that and he's a bloodthirsty midget half the time
To be honest I don't exactly understand what Wolverine stands for. Summers thinks that being a mutant shouldn't be a life of hiding and running, and that at least in Utopia you can wear your mutant colors openly. Xavier wouldn't/shouldn't agree with Utopia as a concept, Magneto might.
Originally posted by iceman24567
He's right in a way but running sometimes is the best option a GOOD leader knows that hell Wolverine knows that and he's a bloodthirsty midget half the time
It all depends in the way you see it. Cyclops seems convinced that mutant kind is in a perpetual state of war and persecution, and in his experience that has been true. Fleeing when you're going to be hunted down eventually is very demoralizing -which is still better than dying, but he probably meant some mutants to survive-. IF, you accept Cyclops state-of-war mentality, the civilian population [i]should[/¡] fight in their own war. If they cannot unite, then they will never unite and mutant kind as a segregated population is doomed to failure.
The problem with Cyclops vision: too symbolic. He's currently taking his own ideal direction of how mutant kind should exist, and it doesn't necesarily translate great actions.
Cyclops has always been a douche though.
Originally posted by iceman24567
The difference between the two are obvious either way you look at it they both pretty much lead the lambs to slaughter but for the most part nobody stood up to Xavier and said "listen stop being a douche.." Wolverine on the other hand straight up told Summers he's being a complete square
Summers isn't leading anyone to the slaughter. If not for him, mutants would all be in camps now. He's had to do a harder job than Xavier with more threats at his door, and he's done a better job than almost anyone could expect.
Originally posted by iceman24567
He's right in a way but running sometimes is the best option a GOOD leader knows that hell Wolverine knows that and he's a bloodthirsty midget half the time
Run where? IIRC Cyclops said it himself a while back that running was going to be ultimately self-defeating.
Originally posted by Bentley
It all depends in the way you see it. Cyclops seems convinced that mutant kind is in a perpetual state of war and persecution, and in his experience that has been true. Fleeing when you're going to be hunted down eventually is very demoralizing -which is still better than dying, but he probably meant some mutants to survive-. IF, you accept Cyclops state-of-war mentality, the civilian population [i]should[/¡] fight in their own war. If they cannot unite, then they will never unite and mutant kind as a segregated population is doomed to failure.The problem with Cyclops vision: too symbolic. He's currently taking his own ideal direction of how mutant kind should exist, and it doesn't necesarily translate great actions.
Cyclops has always been a douche though.
thankfully they've been toning the vision down, at least gillen has. schism's all kinds of f*cked.
