Character Ownage

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
it is laughable. I don't even care about it because it's story driven. Fear Itself is an Asgard/Avengers-centric event series. Surfer is just some afterthought with no real need to be involved.

It's a semi-Defenders lineup struggling against 1 Worthy. That's fine, because quite simply when I found out that they were going to have Surfer in FI: The Deep I literally LOL'd. Any comic that takes a guy who flies through the black depths of space on a surf board and is impervious to the heat of suns, etc. and makes him use his surfboard in the literal sense by taking a swim...it's just going to end up so badly, it's entertaining.

I took at look at the previews etc, saw that Strange, Surfer, Namor et al were going up against one Worthy and passed. I already knew what time it was.

Originally posted by dmills
I took at look at the previews etc, saw that Strange, Surfer, Namor et al were going up against one Worthy and passed. I already knew what time it was.

Just like the Annihilators going up against the new Avengers. It's not going to look good for the Annihilators.

Originally posted by dmills

I usually like your posts, but c'mon bruh. Every top tier gets jobbed out in a team setting one way or another. There are plenty of reasons to believe Thor > Surfer, that isn't one if them.

Dmills, but we can't ignore what's on panel. Wounded (didn't the events in Mighty Thor 1-6 take place before Fear Itself and Thor still has that World Tree Wound?) Thor vs two of the most powerful Worthy and Thor wins. Surfer with Team vs ONE Worthy and they barely hold their own.

Just recently in the Mighty Thor series, Surfer couldn't even down a wounded Thor. No one doubts that Surfer is a high herald being, it's just that Thor (going by his entire history) is an ELITE high herald being. Just like Odin, Zeus, etc.. (going by their entire histories) are all Skyfather level beings, but Odin is an ELITE Skyfather level being.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dmills, but we can't ignore what's on panel. Wounded (didn't the events in Mighty Thor 1-6 take place before Fear Itself and Thor still has that World Tree Wound?) Thor vs two of the most powerful Worthy and Thor wins. Surfer with Team vs ONE Worthy and they barely hold their own.

Just recently in the Mighty Thor series, Surfer couldn't even down a wounded Thor. No one doubts that Surfer is a high herald being, it's just that Thor (going by his entire history) is an ELITE high herald being. Just like Odin, Zeus, etc.. (going by their entire histories) are all Skyfather level beings, but Odin is an ELITE Skyfather level being.

Low Trans it is then.

You guys think really think Thor is Low Trans? This will not go well...

And I'm an adamant Thor supporter.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You guys think really think Thor is Low Trans? This will not go well...

And I'm an adamant Thor supporter.

He does have the fts supporting it though. If you look at it, his fts are basically "a lot" better than his peers.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You guys think really think Thor is Low Trans? This will not go well...

And I'm an adamant Thor supporter.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You guys think really think Thor is Low Trans? This will not go well...

And I'm an adamant Thor supporter.

[list]a) His withstanding of multiple Celestial blasts and not only remaining conscious but having enough strength to hurl the Odinsword at Arishem.
b) His Mjolnir strike that cracked a mansized hole in Exitar's outer shell, then later his Godblast that cracked Exitar's skull.
c) His overpowering of Juggernaut's unstoppablility enchantment and then later cutting off his force field.
d) When not holding back, he's crushed multiple high herald level characters.[/list]

There's more but you get the picture. That's safely above high herald.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dmills, but we can't ignore what's on panel. Wounded (didn't the events in Mighty Thor 1-6 take place before Fear Itself and Thor still has that World Tree Wound?) Thor vs two of the most powerful Worthy and Thor wins. Surfer with Team vs ONE Worthy and they barely hold their own.

Just recently in the Mighty Thor series, Surfer couldn't even down a wounded Thor. No one doubts that Surfer is a high herald being, it's just that Thor (going by his entire history) is an ELITE high herald being. Just like Odin, Zeus, etc.. (going by their entire histories) are all Skyfather level beings, but Odin is an ELITE Skyfather level being.

Not necessarily. Remember styles dictate fights. Thor tried to get to Ego's core to take out his essence and got slapped down. Nova Prime got to the core with relative ease -with the Quasar powers- and oneshotted Ego's essence. Thor stalemates or loses to Hulk, Surfer beats Hulk with ease everytime, Thor beats or at worst, stalemates Surfer everytime. Wash rinse repeat.

Match up's often dictate winners. Thor -for whatever reason is a bad match up for Norrin just as Surfer -for whatever reason is a bad match up for the Hulk. But nobody -imo- can argue in their right mind that Thor is an entire tier above the Surfer. I know that on this forum we tend to oversimplify these things for the sake of argument, repping our favorites or whatever, but in truth they're often a little more nuanced then that.

Originally posted by dmills
Not necessarily. Remember styles dictate fights. Thor tried to get to Ego's core to take out his essence and got slapped down. Nova Prime got to the core with relative ease -with the Quasar powers- and oneshotted Ego's essence. Thor stalemates or loses to Hulk, Surfer beats Hulk with ease everytime, Thor beats or at worst, stalemates Surfer everytime. Wash rinse repeat.

Match up's often dictate winners. Thor -for whatever reason is a bad match up for Norrin just as Surfer -for whatever reason is a bad match up for the Hulk. But nobody -imo- can argue in their right mind that Thor is an entire tier above the Surfer. I know that on this forum we tend to oversimplify these things for the sake of argument, repping our favorites or whatever, but in truth they're often a little more nuanced then that.

Originally posted by zopzop
[list]a) His withstanding of multiple Celestial blasts and not only remaining conscious but having enough strength to hurl the Odinsword at Arishem.
b) His Mjolnir strike that cracked a mansized hole in Exitar's outer shell, then later his Godblast that cracked Exitar's skull.
c) His overpowering of Juggernaut's unstoppablility enchantment and then later cutting off his force field.
d) When not holding back, he's crushed multiple high herald level characters.[/list]

There's more but you get the picture. That's safely above high herald.

That's some CBR usage of high feats only.

Spider-woman and Hawkeye did better against Worthy Hulk then Silver Surfer and the entire Defenders roster did against Worthy Attuma.

Spider-woman and Hawkeye for low trans! dur

Originally posted by carver9
Just like the Annihilators going up against the new Avengers. It's not going to look good for the Annihilators.

Word.

Originally posted by dmills
Not necessarily. Remember styles dictate fights. Thor tried to get to Ego's core to take out his essence and got slapped down. Nova Prime got to the core with relative ease -with the Quasar powers- and oneshotted Ego's essence.

Context dawg. Also, that was like Thor's worst showing against Ego.

Originally posted by dmills
Thor stalemates or loses to Hulk, Surfer beats Hulk with ease everytime, Thor beats or at worst, stalemates Surfer everytime. Wash rinse repeat.

Thor brawls with the Hulk. I also don't understand why you've reached the conclusion that Hulk beating Thor is some sort of historic trend.

Hulk being stronger than Thor alone is a relatively new take.

I think Thor beats Surfer but it's a great fight for the most part.

Originally posted by zopzop
[list]a) His withstanding of multiple Celestial blasts and not only remaining conscious but having enough strength to hurl the Odinsword at Arishem.
b) His Mjolnir strike that cracked a mansized hole in Exitar's outer shell, then later his Godblast that cracked Exitar's skull.
c) His overpowering of Juggernaut's unstoppablility enchantment and then later cutting off his force field.
d) When not holding back, he's crushed multiple high herald level characters.[/list]

There's more but you get the picture. That's safely above high herald.

Like defeating Galactus on more than one occasion and busting through his head recently like he was flying through tissue paper and recently defeating a being that was juggling planets and moons like they were tennis balls.

Thor is a beast.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-woman and Hawkeye did better against Worthy Hulk then Silver Surfer and the entire Defenders roster did against Worthy Attuma.

Spider-woman and Hawkeye for low trans! dur

😂

Or according to some, Regular Hulk > Nul

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Context dawg. Also, that was like Thor's worst showing against Ego.

Thor brawls with the Hulk. I also don't understand why you've reached the conclusion that Hulk beating Thor is some sort of historic trend.

Hulk being stronger than Thor alone is a relatively new take.

I think Thor beats Surfer but I think it's a great fight for the most part.

I suppose if you consider Avengers circa 1963 recent then I suppose Hulk being stronger than Thor could be a new take...

😈

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I suppose if you consider Avengers circa 1963 recent then I suppose Hulk being stronger than Thor could be a new take...

😈

Que?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Que?

Hulk's been stronger than Thor since the 60s. 😎