Character Ownage

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Aside from being bloodied and pissed he was fine? So... just like Wolverine then? Cage is the reason that Wolverine got knocked out of the air. He was using Ragnarok's body and cloak to keep himself a float and land blows.

That's because all Wolverine landed on the real Thor was glancing blows... because if Wolverine stabbed the real Thor in the neck or stomach half a dozen times like he did Ragnarok, Thor would have died.

Yeah, open eyes... gritted teeth. That's a real telling scan. Wolverine was f@cked! 🙄

I don't think Ragnarok was in any danger of losing to Wolverine anytime soon. The same can't be said from the opposite...evidenced by the art and the story itself.

Him landing on Thor like a flying carpet and stabbing down into him doesn't seem like a glancing blow to me. Thor's Asgardian skin is thick enough to provide a measurable defense against Logan's claws. Don't see why that's so hard for you to understand or accept. Maybe if Logan had extra strength behind his blows, he'd do more damage, but he doesn't. And further more, Thor can take considerable more punishment than Ragnarok. Trying to compare the two is faulty outside of one is Thor and the other isn't even in his power class.

It was Wolverine's "I'm phucked face". Thank the Lord for Bendispower Cage to the rescue.

Originally posted by SamZED
Im actually surprised people are so surprised he's strong. He should be a class 10+ by default.

True, but handling Cage like a feeb?

It's obvious that only Spider-man can defeat him!

Spider-man is everyone's kryptonite.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
It's obvious that only Spider-man can defeat him!

Spider-man is everyone's kryptonite.

He does whatever a spider can.

There can be no defense against that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't think Ragnarok was in any danger of losing to Wolverine anytime soon. The same can't be said from the opposite...evidenced by the art and the story itself.

Him landing on Thor like a flying carpet and stabbing down into him doesn't seem like a glancing blow to me. Thor's Asgardian skin is thick enough to provide a measurable defense against Logan's claws. Don't see why that's so hard for you to understand or accept. Maybe if Logan had extra strength behind his blows, he'd do more damage, but he doesn't. And further more, Thor can take considerable more punishment than Ragnarok. Trying to compare the two is faulty outside of one is Thor and the other isn't even in his power class.

It was Wolverine's "I'm phucked face". Thank the Lord for Bendispower Cage to the rescue.

Because he is covered in blood and dirt? He has a healing factor, not a clean me up factor. He doesn't suck blood back into his body has his wounds close. Wolverine was eating class 100 blows to the face, and recovering fast enough to grab Clor's cloak, or stab his arm and keep himself in range and airborne. He was angry and in a rage... but there is nothing that suggest he was significantly injured or on the verge of losing.

You are right that wasn't a glancing blow... because it never happened. Wolverine jumped on Thor's back, he never stabbed him nor attempted to stab him in that position. His claws weren't even out at the time. Thor was saved via plot shielding that limited Wolverine to glancing blows. If Wolverine had stabbed Thor in the back when he jumped on him... that would have ended the fight. Thor was injured enough by the lacerations to obliques, never mind six, twelve inch punctures through his lungs.

And his dials go up to 11 too!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he is covered in blood and dirt? He has a healing factor, not a clean me up factor. He doesn't suck blood back into his body has his wounds close. Wolverine was eating class 100 blows to the face, and recovering fast enough to grab Clor's cloak, or stab his arm and keep himself in range and airborne. He was angry and in a rage... but there is nothing that suggest he was significantly injured or on the verge of losing.

I think those are good signs he lost.

friends just post scans

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
but there is nothing that suggest he was significantly injured or on the verge of losing.

Originally posted by Newjak
Besides the fact when spiderman tried to catch he couldn't cause he was basically on fire and wolverine was barely able to speak?

I think those are good signs he lost.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Actually there is, he can't even speak properly when Spider-man catches him.

Are you two new to the character? Wolverine makes animal noises and various incoherent rumblings when he is in a berserker rage.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he is covered in blood and dirt? He has a healing factor, not a clean me up factor. He doesn't suck blood back into his body has his wounds close. Wolverine was eating class 100 blows to the face, and recovering fast enough to grab Clor's cloak, or stab his arm and keep himself in range and airborne. He was angry and in a rage... but there is nothing that suggest he was significantly injured or on the verge of losing.

You are right that wasn't a glancing blow... because it never happened. Wolverine jumped on Thor's back, he never stabbed him nor attempted to stab him in that position. His claws weren't even out at the time. Thor was saved via plot shielding that limited Wolverine to glancing blows. If Wolverine had stabbed Thor in the back when he jumped on him... that would have ended the fight. Thor was injured enough by the lacerations to obliques, never mind six, twelve inch punctures through his lungs.

He was leaking blood and what looks like brain fluids from his head. Bendis' intent was clear by the set up of that scene. Wolverine's "Oh shit" face, Ragnarok's insane grimace, bootleg Mjolnir raised, and then Bendis' pet Cage to the rescue. If you want to interpret that as anything but the writer/artist driving home the fact, "Hey, true believers, Wolverine is in deep Bantha poodoo!" go for it. It just doesn't make any sense. Without the fellow New Avengers present, Ragnarok would have eventually ran a train on Logan. That's your plot shielding, right there.

He either stabbed Thor or somehow made him visible and audibly react from his punches, which is PIS considering the blows Thor has endured without doing the same thing. If anyone was protected by plot shielding, it was Wolverine, considering that Thor didn't use the vast level of power he has to easily obliterate him if he was so inclined.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
And his dials go up to 11 too!

Damn.

Spider-Man is the only match for Superman now!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He was leaking blood and what looks like brain fluids from his head. Bendis' intent was clear by the set up of that scene. Wolverine's "Oh shit" face, Ragnarok's insane grimace, bootleg Mjolnir raised, and then Bendis' pet Cage to the rescue. If you want to interpret that as anything but the writer/artist driving home the fact, "Hey, true believers, Wolverine is in deep Bantha poodoo!" go for it. It just doesn't make any sense. Without the fellow New Avengers present, Ragnarok would have eventually ran a train on Logan. That's your plot shielding, right there.

He either stabbed Thor or somehow made him visible and audibly react from his punches, which is PIS considering the blows Thor has endured without doing the same thing. If anyone was protected by plot shielding, it was Wolverine, considering that Thor didn't use the vast level of power he has to easily obliterate him if he was so inclined.

He was leaking brain fluid? From his forehead? Please. He had blood on his face... that isn't something new for Wolverine. Clor already clocked Wolverine twice and blasted him with lightening. Oh no... he was about to hit Wolverine one more time! That probably would have made the difference... even though none of the other blows even slowed Logan down...

He jumped on an injured Thor... who made a grunting noise. Ohhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhh. That's it. Wolverine didn't stab nor attempt to stab Thor in that panel, if he had stabbed Thor when he jumped on him, Thor would have had bigger problems then the lacerations on his side he was nursing when the fight ended...

Thor not going all out and using all of his powers to their maximum potential isn't plot shielding. Thor is a bruiser who likes to to slug it out with people. If that is anything it is CIS.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are you two new to the character? Wolverine makes animal noises and various incoherent rumblings when he is in a berserker rage.

or how ever he said it?

Originally posted by Newjak
He was in a Berserker range when he was saying waatterrrr

or how ever he said it?

His eyes are bloodshot and he is making growling noises. Berserker rage. He can still kind of talk if he isn't to far gone, but it's usually largely incoherent.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His eyes are bloodshot and he is making growling noises. Berserker rage. He can still kind of talk if he isn't to far gone, but it's usually largely incoherent.

You are saying he was fresh and ready to fight in Berserker mode?

Beastly showing for Wolverine, he took a lightning bolt, two blows and kept on kicking.

I thought it was pretty obvious that he was pretty f*cked up at the end though, struggling to hold it together. That last hit would have ended him if Cage hadn't interfered I'd wager. He might be a poor man's Thor, but Ragnarok is still pretty powerful, no shame in the showing.

This reminded me a lot of the fight with Green Scar.

Shame Ragnarok never charged his hammer when he struck, would have liked to see how Wolverine would have stood up to that as one of those is better than like 3 regular ones.

Originally posted by Newjak
My point was while on fire unable to move or brace himself, and crying for waatteerrr,

You are saying he was fresh and ready to fight in Berserker mode?

He can't fly... what did you want him to do? Flap his arms and hope for the best? Also asking for water (if that's what he did, I thought he was saying "what r..."😉 would be the optimal response for someone who was on fire.

Correct.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He can't fly... what did you want him to do? Flap his arms and hope for the best? Also asking for water (if that's what he did, I thought he was saying "what r..."😉 would be the optimal response for someone who was on fire.

Correct.