Character Ownage

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Doesn't look like it. The way he's straining with 600-700 lbs.

Originally posted by Newjak
Where does that say it was 600-700 pounds? I'm just wondering if it said it somewhere else in the comic?

Do the math. You ever lift weights? I used to back in the day a lot. Those look like 35 lbs each but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and putting them at 45 lbs each even though they look smaller.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Do the math. You ever lift weights? I used to back in the day a lot. Those look like 35 lbs each but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and putting them at 45 lbs each even though they look smaller.

They also look a lot thicker then just normal 35-45 pounds plates, plus you gotta think it's just an artist rendition. Intention was clear that Cap was supposed to be lifting a lot more then just a normal man can do.

Plus you don't know what exercise he is doing or the amount of reps he is doing.

Judging from his position I would guess a behind the back seated military press which isn't easy anyways.

Still the point is I doubt the artist was really trying to show an actual weight for Cap.

Originally posted by carver9
the guy outpaced bullets to its target.

Your confusing that particular feat for the original one. 🙂 Unless Ult Cap got his own like MS Cap.

Originally posted by Newjak
I do lift weights so yeah I know that you were probably just going by looks so I just wanted to make sure.

They also look a lot thicker then just normal 35-45 pounds plates, plus you gotta think it's just an artist rendition. Intention was clear that Cap was supposed to be lifting a lot more then just a normal man can do.

Plus you don't know what exercise he is doing or the amount of reps he is doing.

Judging from his position I would guess a behind the back seated military press which isn't easy anyways.

Still the point is I doubt the artist was really trying to show an actual weight for Cap.

I think the artist was trying to show case his strength. He even had Nerd Hulk make fun of his weights by having him say puny weights showing there's a huge gap. So 600-700 is about accurate for that scene. Giving it 45 lbs is being generous. So.....yeah.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I think the artist was trying to show case his strength. He even had Nerd Hulk make fun of his weights by having him say puny weights showing there's a huge gap. So 600-700 is about accurate for that scene. Giving it 45 lbs is being generous. So.....yeah.

And once again you're assigning a number that you aren't for sure. You're going straight for look and like I side those weights cap is using look roughly twice the width and thickness of normal plates.

And they definitely aren't rubber versions which is roughly the only time you see 45 or 35 pound plates with that thickness.

I could easily make the case he is lifting a seated military press of twice your generous offer. Which would definitely put him in the multi ton range when you add his legs into the equation.

And once again you don't know how many reps he was doing. That could have been his first rep or his 100th.

You don't know.

Originally posted by Newjak
Duh the artist was trying to show case his strength, and what level of strength was Nerd Hulk. I also know from what I read Nerd Hulk had a huge inferiority complex and so would be pretty par for the course if he tried to insult someone to make himself feel better.

And once again you're assigning a number that you aren't for sure. You're going straight for look and like I side those weights cap is using look roughly twice the width and thickness of normal plates.

And they definitely aren't rubber versions which is roughly the only time you see 45 or 35 pound plates with that thickness.

I could easily make the case he is lifting a seated military press of twice your generous offer. Which would definitely put him in the multi ton range when you add his legs into the equation.

And once again you don't know how many reps he was doing. That could have been his first rep or his 100th.

You don't know.

I don't know the exact but I know it can't be a lot...which is my point. But the point of that scene is to take away the silly myths about Ult Cap being on the level of class 10-15.

Besides he has another work out scene involved with curling and that scene as well shows he is not around class 10-15.

With any characters who's doing weights it can be always argued how many sets or reps unless stated. But you can get a rough idea of around how much it is. Whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I don't know the exact but I know it can't be a lot...which is my point. But the point of that scene is to take away the silly myths about Ult Cap being on the level of class 10-15.

Besides he has another work out scene involved with curling and that scene as well shows he is not around class 10-15.

With any characters reps can be always argued unless stated. But you can get a rough idea of around how much it is. Whether you like it or not.

Yeah say they were 100 pounds plates which judging from the thickness could have been close. 1200 pounds over his head from a seated military press position.

Have you ever done military press before? If you have then you know doing a seated military press compared to what you can lift also using your legs is a lot smaller.

And once again this all going about the idea you actually can put a number on those weights. They could have each weighed double or triple what you think based on what they are made of.

And ocne again reps is big cause you don't know. You want to prove someone is out of a certain league post them struggling to lift something then you got an idea of what range they are in.

Originally posted by Newjak
Didn't the curling scene basically look like he was curling more in that scene? Like everything was like 100-200 pounds look weights with like 6 or 7 on each end? If so I defintiely say that puts him in the multi ton park.

Yeah say they were 100 pounds plates which judging from the thickness could have been close. 1200 pounds over his head from a seated military press position.

Have you ever done military press before? If you have then you know doing a seated military press compared to what you can lift also using your legs is a lot smaller.

And once again this all going about the idea you actually can put a number on those weights. They could have each weighed double or triple what you think based on what they are made of.

And ocne again reps is big cause you don't know. You want to prove someone is out of a certain league post them struggling to lift something then you got an idea of what range they are in.

I've done all kinds of weight lifting before. The curling scene definitely shows hes not in the 10-15 ton class or this one for sure.

Also lets say for the benefit of the doubt the curling scene they were 100 lb plates each. That still isn't putting him anywhere close to class 10-15.

I mean have you seen what a Class 10 strength feats that 616 Spiderman has done????? Ult Cap hasn't done squat to indicate him there.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36947/1090935-captain_america_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1314156-ultcap_tree_feat_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60545/1691958-ultimate_avengers_3_06014.jpg

LOL the third scan is when he was bit by Blade and turned into a vampire Cap.....LOL

The tree feat is impressive. But MS Cap has similar feats. But MS Cap's weight lifting scenes like Ult Cap are not that impressive either.

Yup like I said that's when he became Vamp Cap.....LOL

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I don't know the exact but I know it can't be a lot...which is my point. But the point of that scene is to take away the silly myths about Ult Cap being on the level of class 10-15.

Besides he has another work out scene involved with curling and that scene as well shows he is not around class 10-15.

With any characters who's doing weights it can be always argued how many sets or reps unless stated. But you can get a rough idea of around how much it is. Whether you like it or not.

That's not how you do it.

Here's Ult. Red Skull working out with 50-70 lb. weights/dumbbells. You don't ignore his stand-alone feats of destroying Ult. Cap and all the other evidence showing he's clearly stronger than Ult. Cap in favor of this throw-away weight scene:

You don't do that unless you want to completely ignore his other feats and unjustifiably act like the throw-away weight scenes portray their max or near-max effort. This is exactly right:

Originally posted by Newjak
Duh the artist was trying to show case his strength, and what level of strength was Nerd Hulk. I also know from what I read Nerd Hulk had a huge inferiority complex and so would be pretty par for the course if he tried to insult someone to make himself feel better.

And once again you're assigning a number that you aren't for sure. You're going straight for look and like I side those weights cap is using look roughly twice the width and thickness of normal plates.

And they definitely aren't rubber versions which is roughly the only time you see 45 or 35 pound plates with that thickness.

I could easily make the case he is lifting a seated military press of twice your generous offer. Which would definitely put him in the multi ton range when you add his legs into the equation.

And once again you don't know how many reps he was doing. That could have been his first rep or his 100th.

You don't know.

I'm not ignoring the huge tree. I even stated MS cap has similar feats but MS cap also has non impressive weight scenes just like ult cap. They both seem to follow that pattern.

Still no evidence of being in class 10-15 like the way MS spidey is portrayed with lifting objects on a normal basis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're ignoring Ult. Cap's stand-alone feats of holding up a huge tree in favor of throw-away weight-lifting scenes. Not to mention him knocking out Ult. Juggernaut, toppling Ult. Hulk, wrestling with Ult. Spider-Man, tearing apart Ult. War Machine, etc.

http://www.lost-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ult-Comics-Avengers-Nerd-Hulk-Diss-1024x821.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kz41n4gY-6I/SxJS2UD0RNI/AAAAAAAAEdc/_ioDN7ksLhE/s1600/Ultimate+Avengers+%234+013-14.jpg

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL the third scan is when he was bit by Blade and turned into a vampire Cap.....LOL

The tree feat is impressive. But MS Cap has similar feats. But MS Cap's weight lifting scenes like Ult Cap are not that impressive either.