Originally posted by CosmicComet
The Hulk really doesn't make sense being as strong as he is anyway, from a plot consideration point.He's the result of a faulty human experiment, gamma irradiated, and he gets stronger as he gets madder.
Really, what's stopping any God level character out there from creating a Hulk like creature that runs on some sort of energy and gets stronger with rage? He's just the result of a human experiment gone awry, and not a Reed level experiment either. It's not as though Gamma energy is such a powerful and rare force within Marvel that it makes sense to propel him that far because of it.
Maybe if he was possessed by some actual cosmic force instead.
Hes not just powered by gamma energy though...his power source feeds off an entire universe. If it was just gamma energy, that would be understandable but its much more than that. That's why Apocalypse created that Celestial armor for him, so that he can easily pull energy from this universe and direct it towards his physical strength/abilities. WWH had complete control of this. That is also one of the reasons why WWH was able to absorb both Gamma and Cosmic energy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, it's comics. Superman runs on Solar energy.What? Everything I've said can be backed up by the last decade.
We saw everyone from Hercules to Sentry rocking Hulk with their fists. We've seen Thor rock everyone from High Heralds to Cosmics with his blows.
This is just reverse ninja law coming into play, not some huge Hulk movement. There's a difference between World Breaker Hulk taking on the Avengers, and Gravage Hulk standing up to that onslaught.
If Thor wasn't significantly holding back, it was a low showing. You'd have to be high not to think otherwise.
Hercules punches had no effect on Hulk. Sentry used more than just physical strength against Hulk but when he was punching WWH, it did nothing to him.
It was stated in those scans that everyone wasnt holding back. For the past 5 years, Hulks power has been increasing SIGNIFICANTLY and it was about time for him to face the Avengers for this to be brought to the light. Let's not forget, WWH, not WBH, told the Avengers (including Thor) that they dont have the power to stop him and to not even try because that's all it would.do is full his Rage...now we get to see if this statement was true (even though this isn't WWH which would shine even more light on his statement).
Originally posted by carver9
Hercules punches had no effect on Hulk. Sentry used more than just physical strength against Hulk but when he was punching WWH, it did nothing to him.
What I did tell you about lying Carver? I can tolerate stupidity but outright making up shit is pushing it. Hercules rocked Hulk hard when he struck him and it seems like you didn't read fight the if you think Sentry's blows were doing nothing to the Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
It was stated in those scans that everyone wasnt holding back.
Another lie. You do realize that the scans are right there for everyone to see right? As a matter of fact, they came there with the intention of talking to him.
Originally posted by carver9
For the past 5 years, Hulks power has been increasing SIGNIFICANTLY and it was about time for him to face the Avengers for this to be brought to the light. Let's not forget, WWH, not WBH, told the Avengers (including Thor) that they dont have the power to stop him and to not even try because that's all it would.do is full his Rage...now we get to see if this statement was true (even though this isn't WWH which would shine even more light on his statement).
What can I tell you Carver? If you think an all out hit from Thor won't even stun Gravage Hulk, then we're on completely different pages where you ignore basically every Thor vs. Hulk fight, every Thor feat, and every time Hulk has gone up against Heralds, including under Pak.
In short, I can't help you. If you want to debate this topic in depth, i.e. actually comparing feats and so on, then I'm down for it, we'll create a separate thread or something as to not derail this one. Otherwise, I won't waste my time with you.
If Thor gets jobbed in this issue, then it happens and you can put that in the Hulk's win column. Until then, tone it down a notch with the fanboyism please.
Originally posted by CosmicCometin the spectrum or radiation, gamma is right under cosmic, and in comics surfer was shown to be hulk's superior in power. hulk actually generates gamma energy
The Hulk really doesn't make sense being as strong as he is anyway, from a plot consideration point.He's the result of a faulty human experiment, gamma irradiated, and he gets stronger as he gets madder.
Really, what's stopping any God level character out there from creating a Hulk like creature that runs on some sort of energy and gets stronger with rage? He's just the result of a human experiment gone awry, and not a Reed level experiment either. It's not as though Gamma energy is such a powerful and rare force within Marvel that it makes sense to propel him that far because of it.
Maybe if he was possessed by some actual cosmic force instead.
as for the other stuff: banner is the world's leading authority on gamma radiation, and it was rick jones' interference that caused the accident, which wasn't the case with reed (and von doom) with his space exploration mission.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusexactly. solar energy is quantified at 100 watts per minute per square foot on land, and considering how little surface area his skin has while facing the sun it's not much power at all.
Meh, it's comics. Superman runs on Solar energy.
his rao blood is a relatively recent "revelation" (see: retcon)
Originally posted by carver9
Hercules punches had no effect on Hulk. Sentry used more than just physical strength against Hulk but when he was punching WWH, it did nothing to him.
Ya know for someone who is quite familiar with how often people like to lowball Hulk you seem to have no problem doing it to other people.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha, wow, I just read the fight and when Bendis said he hated Nefaria, he wasn't joking.That shit right there is straight up insulting. I'm a Thor fan, but him being able to one shot Nefaria with a Mjolnir blow so casually is just stupid. Thor doesn't even come off looking impressive, Nefaria just looks weak.
Marvel really has no editors anymore.
Thor one shots Neferia? Scans???
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not low balling anyone.
Your posts state otherwise. You bend terms and use fancy wording to make feats seem bigger than they are, and you do it all the time.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
in the spectrum or radiation, gamma is right under cosmic, and in comics surfer was shown to be hulk's superior in power. hulk actually generates gamma energyas for the other stuff: banner is the world's leading authority on gamma radiation, and it was rick jones' interference that caused the accident, which wasn't the case with reed (and von doom) with his space exploration mission.
exactly. solar energy is quantified at 100 watts per minute per square foot on land, and considering how little surface area his skin has while facing the sun it's not much power at all.
his rao blood is a relatively recent "revelation" (see: retcon)
that and he has an actual organ that refines sunlight and converts it in to much more potent energy.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
From what I can tell that vibranium thing is played up when they want it to be and ignored when they don't.Anyway his shield is different now after being broken isn't it?
* it was broken several times but i thought it was still the "indestructible (and un-clone-able) Vibranium shield" always when it was restored every single time...
* anyway, my thoughts on AvX... it was really out-of-character for Cap to ask advice for Wolverine first, then execute a poor immediate decision on Cyclops to just take Hope for custody... Scott was Jean's husband and the couple (Scott and Jean) knows the Phoenix more than anyone else... while the usually idiotic Logan --- who split the X-men up because he wants the "children" to be safe --- now wants to kill Hope...
* it's not because i'm a Cyclops fan here, but... c'mon... in this scenario, both Cap and Logan are wackos and Cyclops, as always, (even how ridicuous his plans were) ends up being right (see the end of Schism)...
Originally posted by Parmaniachaven't checked this thread in a few days. too lazy to go back and read. Are people seriously questioning where the energy of superman specifically comes from... If thats the case then I think their suspension of disbelief is just to low to read any comic book character.
That doesn't really make more sense, but I'm not complaining because this shit happns 24/7 in comics, or better said is kinda in the nature of them.