Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Don't act stupid on purpose.Hulk's "power up" under Pak, doesn't effect Hulk being portrayed in flash backs before those events even happened. If I knew the issue of said Amora/Hulk confrontation posted recently, I could tell you what era Hulk that was.
Joe-Fixit smashing the West Coast Avengers is clearly before Pak and the Green Scar/Worldbreaker persona.
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Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't his power level remain the same? His attitude carried over.
...do you not understand what I'm saying?
Pak taking over Hulk during Planet Hulk, WWH, and all the way up to Heart of the Monster has no bearing on events which chronologically take place before those events.
Joe-Fixit fighting the West Coast Avengers happened before Hulk underwent his Green Scar persona.
Publishing history =/= chronological history.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...do you not understand what I'm saying?Pak taking over Hulk during Planet Hulk, WWH, and all the way up to Heart of the Monster has no bearing on events which chronologically take place before those events.
Joe-Fixit fighting the West Coast Avengers happened before Hulk underwent his Green Scar persona.
Publishing history =/= chronological history.
Is that the only fight you are basing this off of? It was a good showing for Hulk. With previous events of Fixit, it was stated anyways that when he's pissed, he can hit as hard as Savage Hulk. I think writers, current writers are actually feeding on Hulks power, living by his name sake...the madder he is, the stronger and the harder it is to fight him.
It will all die down soon but I'm not seeing anything wrong with Hulk having high showings.
Originally posted by carver9
No, I see what Jake is saying but he shouldn't be basing any of this off of one showing imo. Jake is making a good argument like usual but he isn't looking at the overall picture.
He isn't basing it off of one instance at all.
Again, carter, you claim that others don't see the big picture while ignoring a huge, glaring one yourself.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...do you not understand what I'm saying?Pak taking over Hulk during Planet Hulk, WWH, and all the way up to Heart of the Monster has no bearing on events which chronologically take place before those events.
Joe-Fixit fighting the West Coast Avengers happened before Hulk underwent his Green Scar persona.
Publishing history =/= chronological history.
Let The Battle Begin is a good example, Savage Hulk has never trounced Thor like that before and yet it's a tale from the past when their tussles generally ended in a stalemates. Also when the Savage Hulk incarnation returned after WWH he was taking on dozens and dozens of Wendigos, classic Hulk could never do that and now with the Hulk smash Avengers series.
Whether it's a change in the status quo or whether it's just Marvel riding the Hulk money train from the movie I guess time will tell but Hulk has had very few low showings whatever the incarnation ever since Pak started writing for him in '05/06.
Originally posted by carver9
Is that the only fight you are basing this off of? It was a good showing for Hulk. With previous events of Fixit, it was stated anyways that when he's pissed, he can hit as hard as Savage Hulk. I think writers, current writers are actually feeding on Hulks power, living by his name sake...the madder he is, the stronger and the harder it is to fight him.It will all die down soon but I'm not seeing anything wrong with Hulk having high showings.
Way to miss the point entirely.
Sometimes I think you purposefully act obtuse.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Just wanted to add, not necessarily to do with what Carver9 was saying but today's Hulk is just all round more powerful than decades ago, and since his upgrade it seems to have had a knock on effect.Let The Battle Begin is a good example, Savage Hulk has never trounced Thor like that before and yet it's a tale from the past when their tussles generally ended in a stalemates. Also when the Savage Hulk incarnation returned after WWH he was taking on dozens and dozens of Wendigos, classic Hulk could never do that and now with the Hulk smash Avengers series.
Whether it's a change in the status quo or whether it's just Marvel riding the Hulk money train from the movie I guess time will tell but Hulk has had very few low showings whatever the incarnation ever since Pak started writing for him in '05/06.
I agree with this.
I think it comes down to a couple of things. In the old days i think Marvel were a lot more reluctant to have a character like Thor or Hulk "embarrassed" and there was a taboo of sorts against showing that one might be clearly stronger than the other. Nowadays its clear from what Brevoort says that as long as its nothing too outrageous then the writer has a relatively free hand and pandering to the fans is not a big concern.
Another reason might be that back in the day most creators were genuinely undecided which of Thor or Hulk was the stronger whereas once things began to tip Hulks way (probably after Thor 385) this began to be reflected in the views of more and more creators until eventually most of them are both writing and reading stories that depict things a bit differently. Sort of a self reinforcing cycle.
The movies probably have played a part also. I think Marvel's approach to showing off a character while a movie is in production/release is not necessarily to give them mad respect by having them beat everyone but rather to showcase them as prominent in the MU. For Iron Man this meant making him the head of SHIELD and a giant *******. For Cap this also meant making him the head of SHIELD. For Thor they made him central to a couple of Thorcentric events and published a ton of Thor related minis. Obviously Hulk isn't really going to work as the head of SHIELD or as an international statesmen so his comics push involved him invading Earth and...beating everyone up. *shrug*
Lastly of course Pak has been on the title for most of the past 5 years, during which Hulks had a relatively high profile, and thats had a huge impact given how he sees the character.
