Originally posted by -K-M-
She clearly was not operating at her AvX levels, she was taking out Pheonix powered characters, the same chracters that were routinely taking out Thor. Yet all she could do is BFR Thor here? Naaaa
She may very well be much weaker, but this is self serving and nonsensical reasoning.
Wanda had to be weaker because she could only battle field remove Thor is what your argument comes down to, which might make sense if comics were free of contradictions. But they are not, and they happen all the time.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She does seem to fluctuate but for the last 10 years as far as I can tell, she's been beyond Herald, at least in potential. Even before that, her Hexes could be OP.Also, the reason Red Skull kidnapped her was so that Wanda could go "No more Mutants." like in HoM, except this time for good although she needed a power source to boost her energy.
She's obviously far weaker than her HOM levels, but is there a reason why she should be weaker than her AvX levels? Like I said, I don't keep up with Wanda that much but here she was tapping into pure Chaos Magic which was even described as a cosmic well.
Either way, I'm fine with it, I just want to know if you have any evidence is all.
Then you have the fact that the P5 were making Thor their b|tch but Wanda was holding her own against them and even driving them off.
Originally posted by -K-M-
So you do think she was at AvX levels then? Do I care about Wanda? Not really. Do I bash Thor? Nope. However, to say she was at her high levels is laughable.
She might be low herald for all I know, but so far the only reasoning I'm getting is that she has to be weaker because Thor gave her trouble. And maybe that's enough for some, but I personally, like to have evidence before I knock a character down a few pegs because something happened that I didn't agree with.
Once again, the Red Skull kidnapped her so she could wipe out all Mutants like in HoM, which she said was possible if she could get an energy source to boost her. In the fight she also taps fully into the cosmic well of Chaos energy, which as far as I've seen, grants her above Herald level power.
Her insane potential/power level has not been forgotten here.
Originally posted by zopzop
The biggest giveaway was when it was stated by Thor that she needed rest between her Hexes. That's how it was back when she was first introduced and all the way up to the mid 90s (her West Coast Avenger days when she was FAR FAR less than herald, let alone high herald).
She needed time and rest to cast a big enough spell to defeat Thor. That's a good showing for Thor, and not truly a negative reflection on Wanda. As we saw, she can tap into crazy amounts of power at will.
Yes, Wanda who Red Skull intended to use to repeat HoM is clearly far far less then Herald. Lol.
Originally posted by zopzop
Then you have the fact that the P5 were making Thor their b|tch but Wanda was holding her own against them and even driving them off.
This doesn't swing the pendulum one way or another.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She needed time and rest to cast a big enough spell to defeat Thor.
Yes, Wanda who Red Skull intended to use to repeat HoM is clearly far far less then Herald. Lol.
This doesn't swing the pendulum one way or another.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No it's common sense, somethings dont need to be explained in black and white and people can read between the lines. Wanda affected the entire Omni-verse, she is not at those levels clearly.Does it put Thor down a peg? No. It's a fine showing, but hardly Wanda at full power.
I said she's clearly far weaker than her HoM levels as she told Red Skull she needed an extra energy source to repeat her mutant wiping feat with the Chaos Wave.
Who said Wanda was at her very best ever? I still however want to know why she'd be noticeably weaker than her more recent showings.
Originally posted by zopzop
No, in general.It's right here Rage :
Exactly like her West Coast Avenger days when she was a mid, high meta (AT BEST). She needed rest between her Hexes.
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In the scan you posted, she transmuted Thor's lightning and tossed a truck at him on a whim.
She later on tapped into so much pure Chaos power, she nearly went mad again.
Originally posted by zopzop
The same Red Skull who said and I'm paraphrasing here : "Who needs the Infinity Gems, I got Xavier's brain!" 😆
RS don't know WTF he talkin' about.
I don't know if he said that or not but I don't see how it matters. Wanda agreed with his assessment, and said she could do it.
I'd post scans but I'm sure you can find the comic yourself.
Originally posted by zopzop
I could care less really but just wanted to point out, Wanda's powers fluctuate like mad from writer to writer. And that statement by Thor harkens back to her WCA days when she was less than impressive.
They might, but so far you're not giving me any compelling evidence.
