Originally posted by Galan007....
its like socrates said: only a fool thinks he is wise, and only the wise knows he is a fool.
i guess eventually that means a wise man is the one who doesnt see his great acoomplishements but rather focus on his flaws even if the flaws are 0.01% of his entire being , he will treat them as the whole 100%. only that way you can become a better yourself and evolve further as a total being.
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, Marvel really needs to use a bit of comic book 'science' to give us a new/better explanation for Hulk's powerset. This whole "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" thing is just stupid when you look at some of the retardedly haxxed feats he's preformed over the years.I've long thought they should develop some sort of "Strength-Force" that Hulk's been tapping all these years, in order to make some of the dues ex feats seem a little more logical(by comic book/fictional standards, of course)-- not unlike DC did with Flash and the Speed-Force.
This would make sense to me. Again, it's never been the scope of the feats, but the nature of them, that is utterly baffling. They decided Hulk needed to be pushed to a certain level, and that's fine, but without acknowledging that it is beyond the logical boundaries of what has always been his power set.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Quite possibly the most accurate description of Hulk I've ever read.
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Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, Marvel really needs to use a bit of comic book 'science' to give us a new/better explanation for Hulk's powerset. This whole "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" thing is just stupid when you look at some of the retardedly haxxed feats he's preformed over the years.I've long thought they should develop some sort of "Strength-Force" that Hulk's been tapping all these years, in order to make some of the dues ex feats seem a little more logical(by comic book/fictional standards, of course)-- not unlike DC did with Flash and the Speed-Force.
God doesn't explain himself and neither should Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That would downgrade the Hulk. And I'm only half kidding.Why can't Hulk be a mystery? There have been hints that he absorbs the ambient gamma radiation of the Universe or that he taps into an alternate dimension of power but I wouldn't want a definitive explanation anymore then I'd want one for Thor.
Bingo. If they ever felt the need to explain it than it would be way easier to turn to the fact that Earth is rotten with reality warpers and omega level psionics and that that is aht Hulk really is.
But that kills the mystery and the fun of Hulk being incredible and being able to do things he "shouldnt be able to do" when his blood is up. Then again if thats something you really hate about the character then I guess you might want some kind of clearcut explanation. But IMO those sort of explanations in comics, spelled out unambiguously, usually arent as satisfying as people expect them to be.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Bingo. If they ever felt the need to explain it than it would be way easier to turn to the fact that Earth is rotten with reality warpers and omega level psionics and that that is aht Hulk really is.But that kills the mystery and the fun of Hulk being incredible and being able to do things he "shouldnt be able to do" when his blood is up. Then again if thats something you really hate about the character then I guess you might want some kind of clearcut explanation. But IMO those sort of explanations in comics, spelled out unambiguously, usually arent as satisfying as people expect them to be.
Mystery is fine when it still makes some sense. How does Thor affect the weather? Magic. Which is unexplained, sure, but he's the God of Thunder. It fits thematically.
How does Hulk affect time? Er...muscles.
There's some sort of unspoken limit for suspension of disbelief, even in fictional universes. Blatantly ignoring or breaking the rules is dangerous territory. I think that's why the Hulk sees such backlash, not because he can potentially beat {insert high herald fanboy crush}.
So, for example, all the bad writing in the world wasn't as bad as the time a man stopped a bomb timer with the power of hope and love in Doctor Who. In a universe that, for all its daffy shenanigans, still has a rational science-y backing to all of it, they shat all over it and said "nope, love conquers alien circuitry." It's happened once or twice with similar plot devices, and they stick out like sore thumbs. That's the same type of disconnect.
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One of my biggest problems with IM3, as an example, is that the writers didn't even try to explain how in the phuck a corrupt Extremis virus was able to create firebreathing heat-monsters. They just crammed the concept down our throats without so much as attempting to tell us why, and left it at that.
Same thing with Hulk: he is non-magical in nature, so punching an intangible force, like time itself(lol), *should* require more than just anger+muscles-- even by comic book logic. I mean, writers could simply give Reed 1-2 pages to extrapolate on the true source of Hulk's abilities(*cough*Strength-Force*cough*), in order to give him some desperately needed depth. That is literally all it would take for decades-worth of retarded feats to make a LOT more sense, imo.
Originally posted by Digi
There's some sort of unspoken limit for suspension of disbelief, even in fictional universes.
This. I might add that (more or less depending on who you ask) Superman is in that category as well. Probably why those two receive more hate/backlash on forums than is [reasonably] warranted.
Galan you always hit the nail on the head. This was one of the main reasons why my interest has detracted from the character. I still love him, but he is in desperate need of refinement in terms of his abilities. And the "Strength-Force" concept that you presented is a genius idea, it can potentially serve as a depth inducing narrative that may give hulk the substance that he has been lacking for some time now. Galan why aren't you a writer? Lol
smh.
how da phuck does an explanation of a lesser known ability become the keystone to his acceptance on the forums? fvck it. we got superman closing TWO spacial rips with heat vision and RUBBING HIS HANDS TOGETHER to make heat.... among many other laughable feats to choose from, but until I get an explanation for that one in particular, well I'm gonna cross my arms till i'm satisfied
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Galan you always hit the nail on the head. This was one of the main reasons why my interest has detracted from the character. I still love him, but he is in desperate need of refinement in terms of his abilities. And the "Strength-Force" concept that you presented is a genius idea, it can potentially serve as a depth inducing narrative that may give hulk the substance that he has been lacking for some time now. Galan why aren't you a writer? Lol
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