Character Ownage

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Come on you and i both know dc is biting their nails at this point. I have no problem with them personally but movie verse wise they are behind the power curve. And yet another reboot isn't gonna solve the problem. The should have gave Nolan and bale a billion dollars and made them salvage their line.

Movie verse, they're behind, yes. The comic sales since the reboot, even going as far back as SCW, have been fine though.

And no, god no. No more ****ing Baleman, please.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Movie verse, they're behind, yes. The comic sales since the reboot, even going as far back as SCW, have been fine though.

And no, god no. No more ****ing Baleman, please.

Actual comic book verse is fine. As long as this gundam thing isn't taken too serious

Personally i liked bale. Although he tapered off a bit during rises. But hes a strong second to keaton. What's your gripe.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Actual comic book verse is fine. As long as this gundam thing isn't taken too serious

Personally i liked bale. Although he tapered off a bit during rises. But hes a strong second to keaton. What's your gripe.

Forgetting the suit and the voice for a minute, because they're minor issues: I like BB. I really do, even with its flaws. TDK and TDKR rises though? The simplest thing I can say about them is that I honestly felt like they were good movies (really good movies in fact) that just happened to star Batman; not really good Batman movies.

Just imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The simplest thing I can say about them is that I honestly felt like they were good movies (really good movies in fact) that just happened to star Batman; not really good Batman movies.

Just imo.

^That's a damn good point.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Forgetting the suit and the voice for a minute, because they're minor issues: I like BB. I really do, even with its flaws. TDK and TDKR rises though? The simplest thing I can say about them is that I honestly felt like they were good movies (really good movies in fact) that just happened to star Batman; not really good Batman movies.

Just imo.

Hmmm...i suppose. I believe our over indulgence in the medium makes us a bit more critical of the material. I honestly dont even consider forever and batman and robin as films at all

Originally posted by krisblaze
^That's a damn good point.

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...i suppose. I believe our over indulgence in the medium makes us a bit more critical of the material. I honestly dont even consider forever and batman and robin as films at all

A bit more critical? Sure.

It isn't without warrant, though. They can adapt plenty of characters pretty well, and have done so. I just felt they missed the mark a bit on Batman this time.

And the 'dark and gritty' tone is sickening at this point. We're not in the 90s.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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A bit more critical? Sure.

It isn't without warrant, though. They can adapt plenty of characters pretty well, and have done so. I just felt they missed the mark a bit on Batman this time.

I curious, what mark was particularly missed in tdk?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
And the 'dark and gritty' tone is sickening at this point. We're not in the 90s.

They've overdone it, aye.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I curious, what mark was particularly missed in tdk?

The general "let's make it as real-world as possible" thing for starters.

The kind of Joker they ended up using wasn't to my taste, but that doesn't mean he was necessarily bad. Ledger was still great.

The script did have holes in it, just like any other movie (and holy shit, people will crucify you for saying as such).

TBH, there's no real one thing that I can nail down. Just a general feeling when watching it that it isn't as "Batman-y" as it could be.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
And the 'dark and gritty' tone is sickening at this point. We're not in the 90s.

Really? How should they be depicted? With the action packed campiness of Marvel? I believe dark and gritty provides a great contrast to the "over the top" blockbusters we see every other weekend.

Originally posted by -Pr-
They've overdone it, aye.

The general "let's make it as real-world as possible" thing for starters.

The kind of Joker they ended up using wasn't to my taste, but that doesn't mean he was necessarily bad. Ledger was still great.

The script did have holes in it, just like any other movie (and holy shit, people will crucify you for saying as such).

TBH, there's no real one thing that I can nail down. Just a general feeling when watching it that it isn't as "Batman-y" as it could be.

Excellent post. Thoughts on MOS?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
And the 'dark and gritty' tone is sickening at this point. We're not in the 90s.

I didn't even consider them particularly gritty.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Come on you and i both know dc is biting their nails at this point. I have no problem with them personally but movie verse wise they are behind the power curve. And yet another reboot isn't gonna solve the problem. The should have gave Nolan and bale a billion dollars and made them salvage their line.

It's not a reboot. DC is just diversifying their line. There are links all over the place for the info.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Really? How should they be depicted? With the action packed campiness of Marvel? I believe dark and gritty provides a great contrast to the "over the top" blockbusters we see every other weekend.

Just because it worked with batman doesn't mean it should work for superman, green lantern, etc.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Really? How should they be depicted? With the action packed campiness of Marvel? I believe dark and gritty provides a great contrast to the "over the top" blockbusters we see every other weekend.

Excellent post. Thoughts on MOS?

Good. Not great. I think it was a little too dark, but not to the extent that it was unwatchable.

Plus, it did have at least two or three "Superman" moments. That part where Superman overcomes the big machine and powers through it? You could have lifted that right out of a comic. Classic Superman moment right there. Hell, I get misty just thinking about it.

I think it had enough plus points to make me look forward to the next movie. I think it got way too much criticism for parts of it that, to me, made sense. Not a perfect movie by any means, but definitely a foundation to build off of.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The tone of the movies was no more dark or gritty than the last 15 years of Batman comics imo.

I didn't even consider them particularly gritty.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
That's why I don't like comic Batman, specially Morrison's run.

because you felt it was too dark? Even the Zurrenrah or whatever the **** it's called, parts?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
That's why I don't like comic Batman, specially Morrison's run.

But the movies did in no way have a disproportionate amount of darkness or grit.

I never understood y people complain about batman being too dark when we saw how terrible it would be otherwise

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I never understood y people complain about batman being too dark when we saw how terrible it would be otherwise

Batman, honestly, should be dark to an extent. if not in looks, then in theme. It's still a comic book, though.

As someone that has rp'd a Batman in a very dark setting, I have nothing against pushing the envelope, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's still a comic book, though.

Comics explore just as dark or light themes as any other fiction.