Originally posted by Galan007I'm curious, what would your opinion be if Superman beats Darkseid [yes, I know he's dead, but hypotetically]?
I love that DC finally decided to treat the New Gods as the cosmic deities they truly are. 👆
As in, would you modify your rankings of the characters? Would Superman be skyfather level?
How about other characters? Wonder Woman is clearly portrayed at Orion level in her own book.
In short: would the DC heroes scale up or would the New Gods scale up? and why?
Originally posted by abhilegendBilly is channeling the power of multiple OLD Gods now, ffs. srsly
Yeah, new gods are essentially universal level at the least now.
Originally posted by PhillipI'd think what I've always thought about Superman: he is FAR too dynamic to be constrained by a single tier. Some can quantify him as a high herald 'on average' if they'd like, but the sheer number of times he's stepped WAY beyond that tier proves that he is certainly not constrained by it. He is simply as powerful as he needs to be--Bruce said it best:
I'm curious, what would your opinion be if Superman beats Darkseid [yes, I know he's dead, but hypotetically]? As in, would you modify your rankings of the characters? Would Superman be skyfather level?How about other characters? Wonder Woman is clearly portrayed at Orion level in her own book.
Would I be surprised if Superman beat Darkseid? Not at all.
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As for Orion:
We haven't yet seen Orion's power being used at such high levels, like we have some of the other New Gods. Until we do, we can't be certain what level of power he embodies. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007I certainly agree with that sentiment but, at the same time, I know many won't. No matter what Darkseid, or any other New God will ever do, if Superman beats him, that won't matter. Superman is never scaled up. We've been here far too long to think otherwise.
I'd think what I've always thought about Superman: he is FAR too dynamic to be constrained by a single tier. Some can quantify him as a high herald 'on average' if they'd like, but the sheer number of times he's stepped WAY beyond that tier proves that he is certainly not constrained by it. He is simply as powerful as he needs to be--Bruce said it best:
http://i.imgur.com/NpOmqWS.jpg
"When there's only one chance, [b]he's the man for the job."Would I be surprised if Superman beat Darkseid? Not at all.
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As for Orion:
We haven't yet seen Orion's power being used at such high levels, like we have some of the other New Gods. Until we do, we can't be certain what level of power he embodies. /shrug [/B]
The other problem is that the 'Superman is beyond tier classification' doesn't fly, except when he's fighting Darkseid [or insert another skyfatherish villain] from DC. It's a built-in excuse to say 'He's not really that powerful' while not outright saying it - just so that people can continue arguing Hulk, Silver Surfer beat him.
Make a thread where Superman is put up against Thanos? That's where he starts getting stomped, according to many here. Once it goes beyond that, he's not even on the radar. Nobody here believes, for example, that he would even take 1/10 against Zeus, Depowered Tyrant etc.
Now, even averagely powerful New Gods are starting to get portrayed as high-heralds at least - i.e. see how they treat Green Lanterns, how their items [mother box] make people shit themselves with how much power they pack, - and they're basically God's Iphone, how their 'hand-ninjas' stomped the GLC. And at the top [Darkseid], they're starting to flirt dangerously close with universal powers.
Then plain old Superman comes and knuckle sandwiches them.
Are we suppose to close our eyes and continue debating how he's out of trans/skyfathers class?
Orion doesn't have many feats - yet, of going 'what does this galaxy do?' - but if he does [and the way New Gods are starting to get portrayed, he will], and Wonder Woman will be portrayed as a peer, what then?
Is she going under the 'She defies tiers' as Superman does?
^I said it once and I say it again. DC Superheroes operate on a higher level, they are cosmic powers in their Omniverse. The DC cosmology isn't as tier heavy as the Marvel one. Marvel heroes are mere Heralds in their Universe and insignificant to real cosmic powers like the Celestials. DC Heroes like Superman, especially Superman are on par with the biggest cosmic powers if they have to, and they have to more often than not.
