Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Okay, I get it's a decent read. But try to understand us, men.Shulkie was this super hottie for years. Like Carol. And now they made her into... something else, entirely. Cursing us with the limp dick syndrome.
Important bump.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I probably insulted myself too then ^^Iron Fist is one of my favourite characters.
Lol. Sounds like you love IF just like I love Spiderboy haermm
It's a tough love...
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im not defending Marvel. Im defending She-Hulk who has had solo titles before, who actually deserves the title of "hulk" and who hasnt had a decent upgrade in years. Motherphuckas keep screamin "sjw" and havent even opened up the goddamn comic. Its annoyin af
Why do you want Shulkie to be Hulk, rather than something more separate? I thought you were here dissing characters like that a while back.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Stop with the strawman garbage.Jen isn't the issue it is 90% of the other titles Marvel is putting out that doesn't have Deadpool or Spider-Man attached to them that are PATHETIC, PANDERING, PROPAGANDA with that "America" abomination leading the charge.
Your knowledge of comics is embarrassingly limited and you've been called on it several times. The most notable instance involving Thor.
When have I used the term SJW?
Are you drinking at 6:52 in the evening already?
Educate me Lob. What other titles are "pandering"? You act like comic writers just began putting socio-politico commentary in comics in 2017.
If every elite mainstream character in any house is a white straight male who exactly is the group thats getting pandered to. Goddamn noobs.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Okay, I get it's a decent read. But try to understand us, men.Shulkie was this super hottie for years. Like Carol. And now they made her into... something else, entirely. Cursing us with the limp dick syndrome.
I do understand you "men". Im not new to comics where every female is little more than "bait" material or some catalyst to move the plot forward. All IM saying is let em live. If the series sucks itll die off. If not then good for them. Calling everything pandering when its not is basically trolling. The work should speak for itself.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why do you want Shulkie to be Hulk, rather than something more separate? I thought you were here dissing characters like that a while back.
Jen isnt referred to as Hulk in her onging Raoul. As a matter of fact she doesnt even hulk out for like 6 issues. What i said was that if anyone deserves to be called Hulk its Jen. Not Ross, Betty, Cho or whoever else they wanna shoehorn.
Now i mightve biccthed about Jane. The characterization is off, thats not Jane its a whole different character.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Educate me Lob. What other titles are "pandering"? You act like comic writers just began putting socio-politico commentary in comics in 2017.If every elite mainstream character in any house is a white straight male who exactly is the group thats getting pandered to. Goddamn noobs.
1.America- All of her depictions under the ABYSMAL Gabby Rivera(Fake Latina name) are in direct contrast to her previous portrayals and NONE of it is indicative of growth
2.Ms. Marvel- Find a page of this series outside of the advertising that isn't pandering.
3. Captain Marvel- They took a great character in Carol that had finally garnered some momentum and turned her into some generic "Butch" fem who grows more masculine in appearance in each comic.
4.Thor- Jane Thor has her moments it is the outrageous miscasting and depowering of Odin and Thor that is off putting. The ruler of Asgard that put Sif in charge and granted his son Mjolnir is now a misogynist, windbag, who is unworthy of the hammer HE created and is demeaned by his Wife. Thor losing the hammer should have been the mark of high adventure and instead its been mostly marked by his doubt and mediocre performances.
Wait the treatment of Odin and Thor brings pain to their followers.
I TAKE EVERYTHING BACK ABOUT NUMBER 4!!! EXCELSIOR MARVEL. 👆
Then there all the other instances where female characters show up and monologue to the readers in a condescending manner while their male counterparts suddenly lost all their abilities and reasoning around them.
As for "socio-political" commentary it has existed since the Golden Age and you know what they called it then...PROPAGANDA. In its more nuanced form it played right into the established sensibilities of characters and provided opportunities for authentic growth. GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW, Stern's CAPTAIN AMERICA, SQUADRON SUPREME, THE AUTHORITY, STORMWATCH and a myriad of others.
What Marvel is producing currently is TRASH and the sales prove it to be so.
As far as me being a "Noob" I've forgotten more about comic books and the history of the medium than you will ever know.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1.America- All of her depictions under the ABYSMAL Gabby Rivera(Fake Latina name) are in direct contrast to her previous portrayals and NONE of it is indicative of growth2.Ms. Marvel- Find a page of this series outside of the advertising that isn't pandering.
3. Captain Marvel- They took a great character in Carol that had finally garnered some momentum and turned her into some generic "Butch" fem who grows more masculine in appearance in each comic.
4.Thor- Jane Thor has her moments it is the outrageous miscasting and depowering of Odin and Thor that is off putting. The ruler of Asgard that put Sif in charge and granted his son Mjolnir is now a misogynist, windbag, who is unworthy of the hammer HE created and is demeaned by his Wife. Thor losing the hammer should have been the mark of high adventure and instead its been mostly marked by his doubt and mediocre performances.
Wait the treatment of Odin and Thor brings pain to their followers.
[B]I TAKE EVERYTHING BACK ABOUT NUMBER 4!!! EXCELSIOR MARVEL.
👆Then there all the other instances where female characters show up and monologue to the readers in a condescending manner while their male counterparts suddenly lost all their abilities and reasoning around them.
As for "socio-political" commentary it has existed since the Golden Age and you know what they called it then...PROPAGANDA. In its more nuanced form it played right into the established sensibilities of characters and provided opportunities for authentic growth. GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW, Stern's CAPTAIN AMERICA, SQUADRON SUPREME, THE AUTHORITY, STORMWATCH and a myriad of others.
What Marvel is producing currently is TRASH and the sales prove it to be so.
As far as me being a "Noob" I've forgotten more about comic books and the history of the medium than you will ever know. [/B]
Chavez, Carol and Jane are not good depictions. Ive ALREADY started that ad nauseum. Khan on the other hand IS a good book and not really marketed for your demographic so not sure y youll complain about a character marketed for teen girls.
Everything else you said is trash since u generalized the whole line off a few shortcomings. Try harder
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jen isnt referred to as Hulk in her onging Raoul. As a matter of fact she doesnt even hulk out for like 6 issues. What i said was that if anyone deserves to be called Hulk its Jen. Not Ross, Betty, Cho or whoever else they wanna shoehorn.Now i mightve biccthed about Jane. The characterization is off, thats not Jane its a whole different character.
Ok. I genuinely thought I had heard that they were making her the Hulk.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Chavez, Carol and Jane are not good depictions. Ive ALREADY started that ad nauseum. Khan on the other hand IS a good book and not really marketed for your demographic so not sure y youll complain about a character marketed for teen girls.Everything else you said is trash since u generalized the whole line off a few shortcomings. Try harder
I can't speak for much of Khan before it, but I wasn't a huge fan of the recent Champions stuff.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Chavez, Carol and Jane are not good depictions. Ive ALREADY started that ad nauseum. Khan on the other hand IS a good book and not really marketed for your demographic so not sure y youll complain about a character marketed for teen girls.Everything else you said is trash since u generalized the whole line off a few shortcomings. Try harder
Average sales for Marvel Comics are now 20,000.
That is both an abject FAILURE and INDICTMENT of the entire line.
Of course YOU would dismiss the essence of my response as "TRASH" because you lack both the intelligence and knowledge of comics to be able to refute what I'm saying.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Average sales for Marvel Comics are now 20,000.That is both an abject FAILURE and INDICTMENT of the entire line.
[b]Of course YOU would dismiss the essence of my response as "TRASH" because you lack both the intelligence and knowledge of comics to be able to refute what I'm saying.
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So sales dictate worth? I"ll remember that the next time a transformer movie comes out.
I dismiss your response because it holds no merit. Just more senseless drivel in candy coated font.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ok. I genuinely thought I had heard that they were making her the Hulk.I can't speak for much of Khan before it, but I wasn't a huge fan of the recent Champions stuff.
Her book is titled Hulk but Banner was dead at the time. And shes not tryimg to fill his shoes like Cho or Foster. Shes trying to cope with her new form/rage/ptsd while managing a normal life. Classic Hulk story.
Champions is a teen book. Kid nova, miles, khan...cho is like the most seasoned character. Again its not aimed for 30 something adults.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
So sales dictate worth? I"ll remember that the next time a transformer movie comes out.I dismiss your response because it holds no merit. Just more senseless drivel in candy coated font.
Sales indicate worth when you have talentless, pompous, anti-fandom creators and editors at the helm. These books are nearing below 10,000 in sales and yet they are being hailed as a triumph and detractors as ignorant, bigoted, misogynist and xenophobes.
Exhibit A being your posts that have cited NOTHING to dismiss my points as you don't have the ability to do so using reason, facts, and history as a basis for an argument.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Her book is titled Hulk but Banner was dead at the time. And shes not tryimg to fill his shoes like Cho or Foster. Shes trying to cope with her new form/rage/ptsd while managing a normal life. Classic Hulk story.
If the book is the Hulk book, then how is she not "The Hulk"? It seems like really shaky ground to me. But if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
Champions is a teen book. Kid nova, miles, khan...cho is like the most seasoned character. Again its not aimed for 30 something adults.
Bad writing is bad writing. If Khan is a teenage ******* or a grown-up *******, she's still an *******. I get that the book isn't aimed at me, but that hasn't stopped me enjoying shit before.
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Also, everyone? Try to be nice, at least. That included you, poochy.
Look at how pathetic the CHAMPIONS defense is ....
"Champions is a teen book. Kid nova, miles, khan...cho is like the most seasoned character. Again its not aimed for 30 something adults."
Now, I'm just a "NOOB" so the vastly more knowledgeable, SIN I AM, can provide the answer.
Who were the X-Men in their Lee/Kirby run being targeted to when the characters were all teens?
Who were The Teen Titans in their Wolfman/Perez run being targeted to when they were a mix of teens and young adults?
Who were Jim Shooter's Legion of Superheroes being targeted to when they were a group of teen heroes?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Sales indicate worth when you have talentless, pompous, anti-fandom creators and editors at the helm. These books are nearing below 10,000 in sales and yet they are being hailed as a triumph and detractors as ignorant, bigoted, misogynist and xenophobes.Exhibit A being your posts that have cited NOTHING to dismiss my points as you don't have the ability to do so using reason, facts, and history as a basis for an argument.
So youre triggered that the books that are getting accolades arent the ones your like? Sorry if Superman saving the world for the millionth time isnt exactly ground-breaking material.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
sin being tore up.
Gotta be hard deep throating and posting at the same time. You multi tasking skills are commendable
Originally posted by -Pr-
If the book is the Hulk book, then how is she not "The Hulk"? It seems like really shaky ground to me. But if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.Bad writing is bad writing. If Khan is a teenage ******* or a grown-up *******, she's still an *******. I get that the book isn't aimed at me, but that hasn't stopped me enjoying shit before.
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Also, everyone? Try to be nice, at least. That included you, poochy.
Its titled Hulk but shes not Hulk. And in retrospect is more in lines with classic Hulk books (coping with anger, fear of transforming, heroing/civilian identity, wanting to be left alone but forced to act) than any of Banners depictions in over a decade. But nowhere does it state that shes hulk other than the cover.
Im not defending champions. Personally i like ms marvels stand alone than her team book. Same with Thor, Wayne, etc..u know as well as i that when you shove multiple characters into a 22 page book things like characterization get tossed out the window.
I will be civil.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Look at how pathetic the CHAMPIONS defense is ....[b]"Champions is a teen book. Kid nova, miles, khan...cho is like the most seasoned character. Again its not aimed for 30 something adults."
Now, I'm just a "NOOB" so the vastly more knowledgeable, SIN I AM, can provide the answer.
Who were the X-Men in their Lee/Kirby run being targeted to when the characters were all teens?
Who were The Teen Titans in their Wolfman/Perez run being targeted to when they were a mix of teens and young adults?
Who were Jim Shooter's Legion of Superheroes being targeted to when they were a group of teen heroes? [/B]
Are you legit asking why is there a generation gap? Why doesnt the music of today not sound like the 90s? News flash kid it aint the 90s.