Originally posted by Digi👆
Well that's delightful. Some crossovers work better than others, and that reveal seems to fit.
Tom Strong discovering the Dark Multiverse(and possibly creating a portal to it) before anyone else even knew it existed is so very... Tom Strongie of him, lol. I hope his story pans out well in this series, but I'm just glad to see him on panel again. #TheFeels 😄
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusTbh, I loathed the large majority of Johns' work on GL after the SCW... The introduction of the rainbow corps really cheapened the franchise for me. The only stories I enjoyed were 'War of the Green Lanterns'(which resurrected Krona) and 'Wrath of the First Lantern'(which resurrected Volthoom.)
I have no idea what's going in the Green Lantern Universe anymore. I'm going to pretend everything ended at the Sinestro Corps War.
That said, I have really enjoyed Venditti's run on GL for the most part(he took the reigns after Johns left the series.) He's put out some quality stuff that still has the feel of 'classic' GL stories, imo.
Originally posted by abhilegendThe implication is that Surfer is also fused with the Fallen One's powers. Which theoretically means he can draw power from everything in the universe. Both the power of the black or void, and the power of the stars and planets from Surfer. I suspect he went to the Negative Zone and "fed" on a lot of it.
Galactus gets zero respect these days. Surfer with mjolnir is more powerful than him?This is just BS.
Of course he shouldn't be above Galactus, but I suspect they'll go the avenue I said to explain it. Plus Galactus has a random gun and that's never boded well for cosmic threats. Look how Bendis made Binary solo Thanos for example... Bendis...
Who knows though
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can Thor please get his hammer back Marvel? Why is everyone BUT him using it?🙁
It feels like such a violation. Being a Thor fan right now is like being Bran in church, and having a creepy Priest slide his hands down your pants. It's different and you might like it, but you know it's wrong, and no one seems to care.
Honestly though, its not even the same weapon we liked.
Its origin and mechanics were butchered, so having it back, at least for me, wouldn't solve the problem.
We'd need a full scale retcon of the last 4 years, or at the very least a writer straight up contradicting the mother storm origin so as to give another option to back.
The fact that Mjolnir is now sentient means that it knowingly wouldn't let Thor lift it, only because he had valid reasons to doubt the worth of the gods. And CHOSE to work 'better' for SJThor for...reasons.
That was one the most heart breaking scenes I've ever read, Aaron even had Mjolnir slap Thor's arm away essentially. After everything Thor did, even sacrifice some of his essence to restore it, this is what he gets.
Its a fickle piece of shit now and I'll have to keep it in my memories as it what it was, not what it became.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Galactus gets zero respect these days. Surfer with mjolnir is more powerful than him?This is just BS.
LT and the other heavy cosmics didn't fare any better, so it's not just Galactus but rather than Thanos being given max rep. But yeah, it looks like Norrin is the most powerful wielder of Mjolnir ever.
I would understand this sentiment, if Hal didn't just get the shit kicked out of him by Zod this story-arc. The villains are just as formidable as the heroes, so there's not a problem.
i'd disagree completely. it exacerbates the problem. hal's ring almost one shot mogo, but he gets punked by zod? not sure how that's consistent or is supposed to make sense. it is an indication of the problem i just described. hal should have been able to handle zod just fine. there has always been these problems in comics, but it feels like these outliers are more frequent.
It's like saying that Flash is too OP - he is, and has been for decades now, but he has villains like Eobard, Hunter, Abra Kadabra etc. to match him, while also having lower villains that are not as high stakes like the Rogues.
but flash is THE character for broken power set. he is literally the poster child for pis in the forum. not the best example for trying to disprove a burgeoning difficulty with regards to suspension of disbelief... we need LESS characters like flash, not more.
Did you ever feel this way with Thor? Surfer? Thanos? Did Thanos' current storyline make you lose respect for him?
thanos? oh gawd yes. he was my fave villain of all time for literally YEARS before his re-emergence in ss in recent times. ss? no way. i almost WISH he had feats to match superman and hal. thor? meh, sometimes. again i'm not talking about the past--i'm talking about how characters are being currently portrayed. thor fans certainly won't be saying he's been shown as OP in the last couple years. jane otoh CAN come across as OP but the closest marvel comparison would be hulk imo. getting cool feats is cool. too many characters turning into bendis luke cage though makes it hard to suspend disbelief. increasing the power of villains doesn't really help matters imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree on average, but in this case the discrepancy between Hal and Kyle actually makes sense, imo.After all, when Hal forged his ring he had literally become a living construct of pure, unharnessed willpower(thanks to Krona's Gauntlet) -- and he poured every iota of that energy/willpower into his ring. It is vastly more powerful than any other Lantern ring... Possibly as powerful as Krona's Gauntlet itself:
I'm actually glad that Kyle *wasn't* able to interface with Hal's ring right off the bat -- given its power, it should require an acclimation period for even the most seasoned Lanterns, imo.
yeah it makes sense. but he had that ring when he got whooped by zod, no? not sure how that adds up. the MORE outliers someone gets, the harder it becomes to suspend disbelief, and the easier to simply cry out PIS. if you get what i'm saying....?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I have no idea what's going in the Green Lantern Universe anymore. I'm going to pretend everything ended at the Sinestro Corps War.I don't see the big deal. Hal has a ring made of pure will when he was on Green Lantern Roids. It's not his ring, and yet Kyle is still functioning but there is still some overlap.
All Lanterns are different. Kyle = Hal > Joh/Guy in my book.
it's not about gl--he was just the recent example. if someone were to make a list of just the past 2 years for example, for crazy feats performed by gl, ww, and superman, the list would be...pretty astounding. go back another couple years and it gets crazier. by contrast, look at feats from marvel's 'big guns' (do they even HAVE a defined set of 'big guns' anymore...? 😕 ) over the same time period. i may be wrong, but i'd be willing to wager that the dc side fairly dwarfs the marvel side as regards outlier style feats by their main staples. i guess i just don't see the reason or need for it.
if i'm wrong, i'll acknowledge it, but that is how it feels to me. /shrug
i know this is the wrong thread, so will stop. maybe open another thread to carry this on...
Originally posted by leonidasWhy do you think that he should be able to beat Zod? The dude is basically evil Superman [in fact, that's exactly how they even refer to him] and, as good as Hal has become, Superman will always be crazier. Zod is just that powerful.
i'd disagree completely. it exacerbates the problem. hal's ring almost one shot mogo, but he gets punked by zod? not sure how that's consistent or is supposed to make sense. it is an indication of the problem i just described. hal should have been able to handle zod just fine. there has always been these problems in comics, but it feels like these outliers are more frequent.but flash is THE character for broken power set. he is literally the poster child for pis in the forum. not the best example for trying to disprove a burgeoning difficulty with regards to suspension of disbelief... we need LESS characters like flash, not more.
thanos? oh gawd yes. he was my fave villain of all time for literally YEARS before his re-emergence in ss in recent times. ss? no way. i almost WISH he had feats to match superman and hal. thor? meh, sometimes. again i'm not talking about the past--i'm talking about how characters are being currently portrayed. thor fans certainly won't be saying he's been shown as OP in the last couple years. jane otoh CAN come across as OP but the closest marvel comparison would be hulk imo. getting cool feats is cool. too many characters turning into bendis luke cage though makes it hard to suspend disbelief. increasing the power of villains doesn't really help matters imo.
I used Flash to prove that it's not a new thing, and it can work. If I had to choose between Flash being early-Post Crisis low-supersonic, just so I can not be 'logically bothered' by him going up against Captain Cold, or him doing crazy comic-booky shit at ridiculous speeds, it's the latter in a heartbeat. I just don't agree with your overall point - crazy feats, followed by plot-driven fights that don't really make sense from a powerset point of view is a staple of comic books at this point. You just need some good villains to challenge the hero, which they've been doing properly.
I agree that DC is higher at this point, btw. I mean, it's pretty obvious to me and quite a few others that Superman has moved on to trans. I just don't follow your 'it makes me lose respect for them stuff'. To each his own.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Tom Strong discovering the Dark Multiverse(and possibly creating a portal to it) before anyone else even knew it existed is so very... Tom Strongie of him, lol. I hope his story pans out well in this series, but I'm just glad to see him on panel again. #TheFeels 😄
I'm going to have to add Tom Strong to my super genius top 20 list. Someone will need to get the boot
I agree that DC is higher at this point, btw. I mean, it's pretty obvious to me and quite a few others that Superman has moved on to trans. I just don't follow your 'it makes me lose respect for them stuff'. To each his own.
DC has been on a different level for a while now. Pre-Crisis, Post, DCnU, etc...
