Originally posted by -Pr-
I swear, whoever writes those comics must do it in ****ing crayon... When they're not too busy chewing on them.That's just... That's bad. And not just "Pr has higher standards for X-Men than is normal" bad either.
Yea it was pretty bad. Plus i dont get the ols grudges anymore...they seem silly
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea it was pretty bad. Plus i dont get the ols grudges anymore...they seem silly
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Juggy was the best.I WANT TO BE AN X-MAN AGAIN LOL
They keep talking about how they want to relaunch X-Men, and every time it's been a mess. I doubt this year's attempt will be any different, sadly.
Originally posted by -Pr-
They keep talking about how they want to relaunch X-Men, and every time it's been a mess. I doubt this year's attempt will be any different, sadly.
The current stuff has been good, Gold/Blue/Red was okay, the Bendis stuff was good, the Aaron/Gillen stuff was good the only "mess'" since 2008 or so was the Lemire/Bunn/Hopeless era, which was under a year of comics.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The current stuff has been good, Gold/Blue/Red was okay, the Bendis stuff was good, the Aaron/Gillen stuff was good the only "mess'" since 2008 or so was the Lemire/Bunn/Hopeless era, which was under a year of comics.
Bendis was good... Bendis was good... The ****?
I mean, if you enjoyed it, good for you, but for me, Bendis's whole run is largely a ****ing travesty, and not just for what he did to Cyclops.
Honestly, for me that Whedon arc is the last really good run any writer has had on an X-Men book, even if he spent ****ing forever to get it out.
Almost anything by Bendis, Kyle & Yost, and Fraction can go in the bin, tbh. Ellis... Mostly the same.
Gillen was hot and cold for me. The Breakworld refugee arc had some interesting ideas. That weird vampire arc too.
Colossusnaut, AvX, The future five, all of that was largely bollocks.
X-Men Gold ranged from mediocre to passable, though the writing got worse as it went on, culminating in that awful wedding arc.
Red and Blue did little to inspire either, imo.
The single-best X-Men comic I've read since the last good arc (Brubaker's run coming up to Uncanny 500) was the Hunt for Wolverine issue with the Reavers. That was some good stuff.
Cyclops's return, which should have been a big deal, has been handled terribly too, imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Bendis was good... Bendis was good... The ****?I mean, if you enjoyed it, good for you, but for me, Bendis's whole run is largely a ****ing travesty, and not just for what he did to Cyclops.
Well, for one, it got Chris Bachalo and Kris Anka drawing the X-Men and Anka on interiors whatsoever which automatically would have made it a success, regardless of what happened in the plot.
But, having reread it recently, and listened to the Battle of the Atom Podcast cover it, I think the plot is a lot better, too, and the critical part is realizing that the “Cyclops is Right*” stuff was the point of it all. Beast and his fears of Scott leading a revolution and Logan blaming Scott entirely for Xavier’s death are wrong, but Bendis points out that they’re wrong, too. That’s why Kitty takes the original five to Scott’s school. Cyclops is the focus of those forty odd issues of Uncanny, as teen Cyclops was until he went off into space, and it’s ultimately a Cyclops character piece (bar a Illyana subplot and a Emma Frost-Jean Grey subplot.) It’s the story of Cyclops standing on the beach of Utopia, Xavier’s body at his feet, and realizing that the X-Men aren’t working, and not knowing what to do next, and how he recovers from there. It’s Scott putting aside the militarism that he once revealed in to return to the core of Xavier’s dream, of peaceful cooperation, and it’s some very good character writing, while he does it. I love the speech he gives Alex, when Havok asks Scott what was the point of the ‘mutant revolution.’
"Alex: What was it?
Scott: What?
Alex: The mutant revolution. Did it happen and I missed it? The whole time I was leading the Avengers I was bracing myself for the call. "Your brother's taken over the White House." "Your brother's taken a Helicarrier and crashed it into the U.N." And then I was going to have to choose sides. I was either going to have to fight you or join you. Probably join you. Because I hate fighting you. What was it, Scott? What was the Mutant Revolution supposed to be?
Scott: Our last chance! Okay?! We have nothing left but threats!
Scott: We fought for them and they hate us. We fought alongside them and they kill our children in the streets! We pack up and move to an island and they destroy it! We move to another one and the $#%&#$% Avengers storm the #$%& beaches! We're supposed to be the next step in human evolution yet we've become an endangered species. We're everything they are not and we're a shadow of our former selves! All we have left is threats. The threat of Revolution! The threat of revolution! The threat of a fight that we hope they don't want! So, yes, I got in front of any camera that would show my face and I looked their world in the eye and told them -- they better leave us alone . . . I stood on the bridge of the Helicarrier and I threatened them . . . because nothing. Else. Has. Worked.
Scott: Xavier is gone. Logan is gone. I watched Xavier die at my feet and I thought if I don't do something to kickstart it . . . the dream is really, truly dead."
^
That's some quality cyclops writing! (That's also the issue where Alex suggests opening a Summers brothers pizza parlor, which, for the record, is a comic I would read.)
There’s a whole bunch of smaller things, too. It brought the first character advancement for Bobby and Warren since, like, the eighties. We got a Cyclops solo series with Greg Rucka, and a Magneto series with Cullen Bunn and Gabriel Hernandez Walta. All-New X-Men 25 was a cavalcade of fantastic artists, from Alex Ross to J. Scott Campbell to Alex Maleev. There was a slew of smaller characters that got developed well, such as the Cuckoos, Tempus, and Goldballs. The Andrea Sorrentino annuals with Tempus are a masterpiece, as is the Mike Del Mundo Teen Grey story. It had its issues, and Bendis was cut off at the knees by events - Aaron’s Original Sin and Battle of the Atom, midway through, and Hickman’s Secret Wars, at the end - and I’ll be the first to admit there’s some grand plot problems. But it’s some of the best character writing the X-Men have had for a while.
*it's worth noting that Cyclops was Right was first used by Marvel's marketing, and, in universe, by pro-Cyclops crowds of college students.
All I can say is, your idea of what Cyclops is, or should be, is vastly different from mine. Like, to the core. They had good ideas, sure, but the execution, for me, was awful. And I still think Bendis can't write a character like Cyclops well. At all. If they're not snarky "Whedonesque" characters, then he's only going to end up looking bad.
Also, Bachalo can get ****ed. I don't like his work at all.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Huey was talking about Remender's X-Force.
I read a bit of it. Was okay.
Originally posted by -Pr-
All I can say is, your idea of what Cyclops is, or should be, is vastly different from mine. Like, to the core. They had good ideas, sure, but the execution, for me, was awful. And I still think Bendis can't write a character like Cyclops well. At all. If they're not snarky "Whedonesque" characters, then he's only going to end up looking bad.Also, Bachalo can get ****ed. I don't like his work at all.
I read a bit of it. Was okay.
What is your idea of what Cyclops is or should be? I can't debate with you if you don't give your priors.
(Also Bendis' best work was Daredevil, and Matt isn't a snarky character. At all.)
