Character Ownage

Started by Dum Dum Dugan5,121 pages

Originally posted by iceman24567
Spidey did stomp Daken while Wolverine can barely hold his own against him and dont give me that holding back bs I aint buying it

No he dident. In fact he was getting beat until use of a plot device.

Wolverine beat Daken straight up last time they fought. It was directly stated that Wolverine held back against his son and could not pull the trigger. While he son hated him beyond all else. Context please, if your going to bring events up.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Spidey did stomp Daken while Wolverine can barely hold his own against him and dont give me that holding back bs I aint buying it
currently wolverine can punk daken easily. it seems like the pheromones dont take on him anymore and once daken cant use them, most people can crush him

Originally posted by 753
currently wolverine can punk daken easily. it seems like the pheromones dont take on him anymore and once daken cant use them, most people can crush him
Which makes the comparison to the Wolverine Spider-man argument irrelevant.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No he dident. In fact he was getting beat until use of a plot device.

Wolverine beat Daken straight up last time they fought. It was directly stated that Wolverine held back against his son and could not pull the trigger. While he son hated him beyond all else. Context please, if your going to bring events up.

Didnt I say I wasnt buying the holding back bs? Spidey holds back so much he lets characters like vermin beat the shit out of him and I wasnt directing my post at you unless you believe Wolverine outperforms Spiderman against Spidey vilains because hes that much better than him?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Didnt I say I wasnt buying the holding back bs?

There nothing to buy, it a fact. it was dirrect refferenced a number of times. You ignoring something is not an arguement, it you being thick headed.

Originally posted by iceman24567

Spidey holds back so much he lets characters like vermin beat the shit out of him

Were was it refferenced that Spiderman held back against Vermin?

Originally posted by iceman24567

and I wasnt directing my post at you unless you believe Wolverine outperforms Spiderman against Spidey vilains because hes that much better than him?

No, he out performs spiderman against his rogues because he better suited to fight them. What it is proof of is that Spiderman holds no edge in speed over wolverine or if he does it so small it irrelevent. Because it clearly evident that spidermans rogue who are all within spidermans speed class, can't out react wolverine. Which is why he able to stomp there asses. Because with out any speed advantage there pretty much versing a superipr version of themselfs (when in refferences to vermin and Lizard).

Spiderman is faster and better than Wolverine.

Fact.

Its quite obvious he was holding back against Vermin 😐. Once Spidey stopped holding back he was sure he would kill him and Vermin was scared for his life did you miss that part?

Originally posted by SamZED
He was getting tossed around by Venom one time they fought. Brock even laughed at Logan's attack. The other time Venom got koed because of a plot device (waterfall). Not counting the fight with Venom's clone.

I see now whats your point. The speed thing again? The problem here is, you pick and choose instances that favor Logan the most to make your judgment instead of looking at overall showings. And that kind of tactics doesnt work well. Let me show you.


Spider-man and Wolverine are standing on the roof. Spider-man is the first one to hear an approaching ship. His hearing is more accurate than Logan's now? Ofcourse not.

Spider-man and Wolverine meet in the dark tunnel. Spider-man is the first one to see Logan. A proof that Spider-man can see better in the dark? Hell no, but you see what can be "debated" if we start peaking and choosig scans?

Going by overall feats and encounters, Spider-man has the advantage in speed.

It doesn't work like that Sam... 2 different topics. What I am bringing up is very consistent... what you are using as evidence is rare occurances.

Are we talking about the Fear Itself issue?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Are we talking about the Fear Itself issue?
Thats what I was talking about Spideys self narration explains why he holds back agianst Vermin and Dum Dum head calls me hard headed 😆

Spider-man more or less 4 shotted him there are a lot of circumstances but if we cancel the pros out for each side Vermin still had a better starting positon and got taken down pretty quickly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thats what I was talking about Spideys self narration explains why he holds back agianst Vermin and Dum Dum head calls me hard headed 😆

Yes because I thought you were refferring to past fights with Vermin, which he never even implied once he holds back against him. I did not realise he had foughten vermin recently. Nor am I sure current vermin is the same as his past self. Most of spidy villains got revamped.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its quite obvious he was holding back against Vermin 😐. Once Spidey stopped holding back he was sure he would kill him and Vermin was scared for his life did you miss that part?

Yes blood lusted spiderman was sure that he kill him. Good for him. Non blood lusted wolverine beat the crap out of vermin and bloodscream at the same time.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes blood lusted spiderman was sure that he kill him. Good for him. Non blood lusted wolverine beat the crap out of vermin and bloodscream at the same time.
Isn't Wolverine always bloodlusted? Or better said willing to kill?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Isn't Wolverine always bloodlusted? Or better said willing to kill?

Not he not. Willing to kill for wolverine is not blood lusted. Blood lusted would be berserker, thats when he actually full on blood lusted. Willing to kill is second nature to him.

Wolverine is not willing to kill majority of the time and goes out of his way not to (depends on circumstances/team ect). When he fought vermin, he never attempt to use lethal force.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman is faster and better than Wolverine.

Fact.

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Originally posted by Parmaniac
Which makes the comparison to the Wolverine Spider-man argument irrelevant.
maybe it does, im not following the discussion

Are you seriously using Fear Itself as a low showing for Spider-Man, when it's shown and stated throughout the comic that he's way below his normal effectiveness due to the Serpent's fear power?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Are you seriously using Fear Itself as a low showing for Spider-Man, when it's shown and stated throughout the comic that he's way below his normal effectiveness due to the Serpent's fear power?
And constantly saving people for like what? 2 whole days nonstop? Plus when he "entered" the Vermin fight he had a broken shoulder or something.

He had also contracted aids from raping Wolverine.