Beatles
Stones
Who
Kinks
Cream
Led Z
Pink Floyd
Early Genesis with Gabriel
Deep Purple
Sex Pistols
Clash
Motorhead
Joy Divsion
Jam
Police
Smiths
Cure
The Levellers
The Wonderstuff
Stone Roses
Heppy Mondays
KLF
Radiohead
Cold Play
etc innovators all 🙂 I could list a million others, stick that in your pipe and smoke it Yanks. 🙂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Happy Mondays? Are you actually serious?There are American bands that could easily claim to be better than most of those.
-AC
I think you had to be there at the time AC, hearing about things is not the same as being there.I was a late-comer to the whole "Mad chester" phenomenon back in the day ("the day" being the late-'80s and early-'90s), and no more than a casual fan, to be truthful. But I understood fully that what was transpiring in the city of Manchester was something exceptional, one of those once-in-a-lifetime moments when everything magically congeals and greatness abounds.
Oppressed by daily life in a northern England industrial town, tens (hundreds?) of thousands of young Mancunians found escape in the pulse of Chicago house music, the chemical bliss of Ecstasy and the communal rush of dancing into the wee hours at Anthony Wilson's Hacienda Club. Out of this scene grew a slate of bands with a shared ideology, a distinctive look and a sound that -- for a while, anyway -- took the "alternative" world by storm: Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets, Charlatans UK, New Fast Automatic Daffodils, James. (One could also supplement this list with dozens of other bands from around the UK that adopted the new style: Primal Scream, EMF, the Farm....)
No band epitomized Madchester more than Happy Mondays, and no album encapsulated the Madchester vibe like the Mondays' classic Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches. It made you happy. It made you "baggy." It made you wanna dance, screw, get high or all three. It was as close to perfect as a record can be, and it captured a place and a time and an attitude as palpably as any album ever made.
Sadly, the Madchester phenomenon is largely forgotten by younger listeners. What once seemed like the dawn of a new era now seems merely a window in time. Manchester's downfall was hastened by its lifestyle of rampant excess, the subsequent drop in quality of its music, and the antithetic Seattle sound's rise to industry dominance. Taken from a couple of sources but.... It sums up a few years and the impact.
All that proves is that you were, and still are, sweeped up in the "hype" of it all. Don't put it down as ignorance for being forgetten by younger listeners. It might just be the fact that they were a timed novelty? Think about it.
I like The Stone Roses and Primal Scream, I just don't think The Happy Mondays are anything good.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All that proves is that you were, and still are, sweeped up in the "hype" of it all. Don't put it down as ignorance for being forgetten by younger listeners. It might just be the fact that they were a timed novelty? Think about it.I like The Stone Roses and Primal Scream, I just don't think The Happy Mondays are anything good.
-AC
and you are entitled to your opinion.
At this point, I would like to call expert witness Shaun Ryder of the Happy Mondays, who sang "Son, I'm 30. I only went with your mother 'cause she's dirty
No other lyrics sum up lust better imo.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So? Aiming lyrics at a specific group and them understanding it, is a great talent to you?That's like writing lyrics about throwing up and saying it's skillful because it appeals to bulimics.
-AC
Not really fmost lyrics only appeal to the people who can relate to them.
For instance after explaining lust he shows how even though the character he's singing about is a very nasty self centred man, he still wants his son to love him and see him. He needs that, despite being petty and full of hate, no theatrics, just life on a Council Estate.
Son, I'm 30
I only went with your mother 'cause she's dirty
And I don't have a decent bone in me
What you get is just what you see yeah
I see it so I take it freely
And all the bad piss ugly things i feed me
I never help or give to the needy
Come on and see me
a lot of shaun ryder and the rest of the hacienda days are forgotten because much of the ecstacy culture is dwindling and seems more reserved not for image conscious ******* club goers or pilled up hardcore knobs
the night life of most cities is summed up better and more relevant by other artists...mike skinner of the streets
"Out the club about three, to the take-away
The shit-in-a-tray merchants, shops got special perchant for the disorderly
Geezerz looking ordinary and a few looking leary
Chips fly round the sound of the latest chart entry
An incendiary waiting to blast
No harm with the contest who can throw the furthest
Behind the counter they look nervous, but
Carry on cutting the finest cuts of chicken from the big spinning stick
Then over flies a chip, flips, and hits you on the back
You spin round on the attack
'**** you playing at? he looks like a cheshire cat, almost falls down
Your frowns and superman eye lasers don't even register
By now you want to leather this ****
And forever your gonna regret that, your choice of path
So mash his head up and your girls now fed up
But stop to think and it's never gonna be the Jackie Chan scene it could have been to end up"
at least thats the way it seems to me
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Not really fmost lyrics only appeal to the people who can relate to them.For instance after explaining lust he shows how even though the character he's singing about is a very nasty self centred man, he still wants his son to love him and see him. He needs that, despite being petty and full of hate, no theatrics, just life on a Council Estate.
Son, I'm 30
I only went with your mother 'cause she's dirty
And I don't have a decent bone in me
What you get is just what you see yeah
I see it so I take it freely
And all the bad piss ugly things i feed me
I never help or give to the needy
Come on and see me
You missed my point entirely.
I dislike that whole laddish trend anyway.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You missed my point entirely.I dislike that whole laddish trend anyway.
-AC
Not really I answered your point as I understood it please clarify your point AC
Laddish 😕
Originally posted by jaden101
a lot of shaun ryder and the rest of the hacienda days are forgotten because much of the ecstacy culture is dwindling and seems more reserved not for image conscious ******* club goers or pilled up hardcore knobsthe night life of most cities is summed up better and more relevant by other artists...mike skinner of the streets
"Out the club about three, to the take-away
The shit-in-a-tray merchants, shops got special perchant for the disorderly
Geezerz looking ordinary and a few looking leary
Chips fly round the sound of the latest chart entry
An incendiary waiting to blast
No harm with the contest who can throw the furthest
Behind the counter they look nervous, but
Carry on cutting the finest cuts of chicken from the big spinning stick
Then over flies a chip, flips, and hits you on the back
You spin round on the attack
'**** you playing at? he looks like a cheshire cat, almost falls down
Your frowns and superman eye lasers don't even register
By now you want to leather this ****
And forever your gonna regret that, your choice of path
So mash his head up and your girls now fed up
But stop to think and it's never gonna be the Jackie Chan scene it could have been to end up"at least thats the way it seems to me
You see Jad thats where the generation gap comes into play, I think the streets are piss poor, and they don't sing to me, but they do to you! Which proves my point about niches.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The first line was the only relevant one and even that isn't necessarily true.You don't need to relate to lyrics to appreciate them. Shaun Ryder is an example of a man who couldn't write anything esoteric because he lacks both the intelligence and the creativity.
-AC
the fact he writes about condrete things real to many and conjures vivid pictures of attitudes and life is for me more interesting than the esoteric. Ryders lyrics are a snap shot of times and places, most esoterica is to selective in my opinion.
SWS 🙂
Yes, of course esoteric lyrical content is selective. That's why it's labelled as esoteric. You know what esoteric means, yes?
You just disagreed with my point, then agreed with it. Ryder is lame. He uses 2pac syndrome with his lyrics. Just appeal to people who are asking for someone to appeal to them and you'll be labelled as a genius. 2pac, as I said, did this most classically. He wrote very shallow lyrics (in terms of there being not much there) but because they appealed to a very large group of people, they all felt as though he was doing something outstanding. His lyrics had no meaning to someone unknown to that lifestyle, even if they might be AWARE of the lifestyle. Similarly with Shaun Ryder.
Whilst his lyrics may have been genuine, they were poor. Very poor. Like anything associated with The Happy Mondays.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, of course esoteric lyrical content is selective. That's why it's labelled as esoteric. You know what esoteric means, yes?You just disagreed with my point, then agreed with it. Ryder is lame. He uses 2pac syndrome with his lyrics. Just appeal to people who are asking for someone to appeal to them and you'll be labelled as a genius. 2pac, as I said, did this most classically. He wrote very shallow lyrics (in terms of there being not much there) but because they appealed to a very large group of people, they all felt as though he was doing something outstanding. His lyrics had no meaning to someone unknown to that lifestyle, even if they might be AWARE of the lifestyle. Similarly with Shaun Ryder.
Whilst his lyrics may have been genuine, they were poor. Very poor. Like anything associated with The Happy Mondays.
-AC
Yes, hence why I said it was selective, you understand my point yes?🙂 then why ask?
Ryder is lame in your opinion - not in the opinion of those who were there at the time - Even Channel fours Hall of Fame show acknowledged how great the Mondays were, and that was lame imo as a show. You have an opinion try not to be condescending about others AC 😉 or I won't give you your ball back 🙂
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Ryder is lame in your opinion - not in the opinion of those who were there at the time - Even Channel fours Hall of Fame show acknowledged how great the Mondays were, and that was lame imo as a show. You have an opinion try not to be condescending about others AC 😉 or I won't give you your ball back 🙂
I'm not being condescending, Shaun Ryder and The Happy Mondays are lame. You disagree and that's fine.
You're also basing this on the fact that you were "around" and interested when it happened. So you've been compromised. Like people who think Cliff Richard writes good christmas songs.
-AC