Originally posted by TricksterPriestYes, because Reed went up to Apoc, and said:
Oh yes he does. Reed figured it out and told others on earth about it. It's common knowledge. Even the frigging Xmen and government agencies know about Gladiator's radiation weakness.The difference is, Apoc's low showings are PIS and all after his body was destroyed on the moon.
Sam Guthrie's blast field renders him invulnerable to kinetic attack when it's on. Thus, Glads could not have hurt him with his punches. Apoc can give himself the ability to absorb kinetic energy, and boom. Glads will punch at him, then get hit with his own power redirected.
Didn't know that, sorry. 🙄
So, why exactly do you use Ikaris, and the Loki feats again?
They happened way after the Moon incident I'm afraid.
And how often has he used this?
Oh, I love how he just gives himself this power, that he never uses...
Why doesn't he give himself super speed and go and beat up Superman then? Or, based on the logic that is coming next...
He can grant himself any power... so why exactly do you say he loses to Thanos then?
It just doesn't seem to add up, based on some of the debates involving Apoc...
Because Apoc has raided Reed's computer databanks and has access to information from almost any database in the world. So yeah, he'd know about it. 😛
the Ikaris and Loki feats are classic.
Of course Poccy would lose to Glads IF Gladiator's weaknesses didn't exist. But they do, and they are known. Thus, he can beat Gladiator.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestWas this before or after Reed found out about Glads?
Because Apoc has raided Reed's computer databanks and has access to information from almost any database in the world. So yeah, he'd know about it. 😛the Ikaris and Loki feats are classic.
Oh, really? So why isn't him barely beating Cable in h2h, or stalemating Namor, or ducking from a table classic?
I see nothing that makes those feats any more classic than the ones I mentioned.
Or is it the feats you like that make them classic?
I suppose him choking Hulk is also classic, isn't it?
Funny how that works.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo does the Ikaris fight, and pretty sure the Loki one does too.
Those take place after X-Factor #68. 2nd, the table? 😆 That was PIS and you know it. By classic, I mean him in his original body, the one that didn't have limits and wasn't burning out from his powers. Christ man, don't you know anything about Poccy? 😛 CLASSIC ONLY MEANS HE'S IN HIS ORIGINAL BODY.
Hell, you're not even answering, or seeming to be reading what I'm saying.
Let me break it down for you:
Any feat that takes place, during or before X-Factor #68 are classic.
Indeed.
Now, you're trying to pawn off a feat that happened in the 2000's, as classic.
How? I don't know how, and I'm trying to get an explanation.
What seems to be happening with you and Apoc, is that any feat that makes him look good, equals him being classic, but any feat that makes him look bad, is not acceptable.
I don't f*cking get it.
Your logic works against you, since if you accept the Ikaris feat, then you should by logic, have to accept other feats as well.
I know plenty about Apoc, and what you're saying to me, means nothing, since I've heard it tons of times before, and know it.
So, you don't have to type in caps, to try and teach me something.
Another thing:
What you're saying is Classic Apoc didn't have limits? OK, which brings me to a previous point that adds in with other things as well.
Why exactly can't he beat Thanos then?
You write him as if he can just give himself any power, and has an unlimited source of power, but when it comes to Thanos, you act as if nothing of this nature was ever said, or he didn't have the powers.
Fitting the character to suit your needs, works both ways.
It was retconed to have happened before X-Factor #68. Nice try.
He's low tier herald. Which means he can fight and beat most people on earth. But cosmic? Hell no.
The feats are acceptable, it's just that some of them are PIS or make no sense given his powers.
Edit: Sorry Bruce. But I had to answer that somehow. 😮 Bran's pissing me off.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSounds exellent... now where's the proof before you make it seem like I'm lying or something?
It was retconed to have happened before X-Factor #68. Nice try.He's low tier herald. Which means he can fight and beat most people on earth. But cosmic? Hell no.
The feats are acceptable, it's just that some of them are PIS or make no sense given his powers.
But, he can change his powers on a whim, and he even has unlimited power, which I will admit, Thanos doesn't have.
What changes between him in this thread, and him in a Thanos fight?
Even as classic, he didn't use his powers like you say he can.
So, I'm certain that doesn't make it pis...
What makes it pis, exactly?
Him taking a supposed Black Bolt scream?
Ya, that's probably it...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
faint I think I see why Poccy didn't have much respect before Evil_Ash and I started arguing for him............nosweatApoc is not gonna touch Galactus. That's nuts. But he's more than capable of beating Gladiator. Psionics, energy powers, forcefields, molecular control, and Gladiator's little weaknesses of confidence and radiation, mean Apoc can take a healthy majority. Hell, Hulk beats the shit out of Glads. Partly because his gamma radiation is one of the kinds that weakens Glads. Hell, freaking Canonball has KOed Gladiator. 😆 And him being an External is speculated, not confirmed. Whereas Apocalypse, is an actual external.
Classic Apocalypse will wreck Gladiator. Currently..........jobbacalypse, will not do as well. ❌
Funny how you implement Gladiator's low showings to boost a character you consider "jobbs" whenever they themselves aren't portrayed as powerful as you would like them to be.
its interesting to see apoc really put all he's got into a fight, he took on three teams of mutants and was not even screatched, then he took down the pre suckfest exodus same guy who made the entire island of genosha levitate. He also created ozmodious, restrained the hulk, schooled high evolutionary, took black bolts scream once, his fight with ikaris was pretty impressive, he dodged his powers by shifting his molecules like opening holes in his own body, then he grabed ikaris and bear hugged him after which he formed a massive spike in his chest. He once hit quicksilver while running as well. He had a decent fight with loki as well.