Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hardly the case. Anyone with common sense can see that this character is not the supreme being.So basically SHHHHHH!!! 😉
You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quality over quantity
😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect
Keep the quaility 😆
Stay Whirly 🤘
Classic
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect
Keep the quaility 😆
Stay Whirly 🤘
Classic
More spam from a frustrated old man who has failed once again.
🙄
Desperate measures from a man who has no ground to stand on. 🙁
Im supported by the comics and now the handbooks reaffirmed my comments made over the last 6 months.
Crown: check
Jean = Phoenix: check
Anything interpretation which says otherwise is according to Marvel very much false. I guess thats it for both you and your fansites. 😮
Sorry mate. 😱
every universe has its own pantheon of gods in the MU even its own Lord Chaos, Eternity, Galactus, Death etc this yawhey cannot have been the DC one because that one is even greater then TOAA since just two of his underlings can make a whole multiverse how much more can the presence do so if TOAA had to kill himself to recreate the MU in Thanos The End and they will say its not canon. oh by the way if LT appears in any comic it is the same LT that came out in Infinity Gauntlet and the same LT that came out with Adam Warlock if you say that is not so you must say that there is more then one LT which is not possible and if you say What Ifs never happend i guess you call the Watcher a liar which is just stupid calling a comic book character a liar. LT has the power to destroy a whole planet not a whole universe he can isolate one he lost to korvac in a what if i already stated why he did infact lost above he tried destroying the earth which at the time was the source of Korvacs power Korvac stopped it and LT was stunned and said questioned if Korvac had become so strong as to not be under the LT's judgements, Korvac was as powerful as Eternity beyond that there are beings known as the Time Twisters who are more powerful then LT because they can basically age or unage anyone or something to the point of not being born or of dieing of old age.
This post upsets little "boy" GS
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hardly the case. Anyone with common sense can see that this character is not the supreme being.So basically SHHHHHH!!! 😉
You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quality over quantity
😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect
Keep the quaility 😆
Stay Whirly 🤘
Classic
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
This post upsets little "boy" GSYou mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:
😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect
Keep the quaility 😆
Stay Whirly 🤘
Classic
Whatever you say mate. Im not the one who goes around spamming the same post across multiple forums when ive run out of anything relevant to say. Either way Whirly we've both said all that needs to be said. So lets not carry this on. We're spoiling peoples threads and thats not on. Be grown up about it. 😎
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whatever you say mate. Im not the one who goes around spamming the same post across multiple forums when ive run out of anything relevant to say. Either way Whirly we've both said all that needs to be said. So lets not carry this on. We're spoiling peoples threads and thats not on. Be grown up about it. 😎
OK but one last time
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hardly the case. Anyone with common sense can see that this character is not the supreme being.So basically SHHHHHH!!! 😉
You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quality over quantity
😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect
Keep the quaility 😆
Stay Whirly 🤘
Classic
BEELZEBOUL-Real Name: Beelzeboul
Identity/Class: Demon
Occupation: Ruler of his own Hell dimension
Group Membership: Hell-Lords?
Affiliations: Roger Barbatos; His demon servants
Enemies: Cassandra Drakonmegas; Hellfire; Terror
Known Relatives: Cassandra Drakonmegas (ex-wife); Hellfire (son);
possibly Satana (daughter?); possibly Daimon Hellstrom (son?)
Aliases: "Satan"; possibly Marduk Kurios
Base of Operations: His own little Hell dimension
First Appearance: Terror INC#1 (July, 1992)
Powers/Abilities: Beelzeboul is a demon and is not necessarily vulnerable to aging, disease and other generally human weaknesses. He was able to open portals to the normal world, though this seemed to be based around the sacrifice of one of his servants. His strength is enhanced to an undefined range, and he can probably alter hit height and appearance. While on Earth, he took a human form to seduce Cassandra Drakonmegas, but whether he had to take over the body of a human or whether he could simply take the form wasn't explored. Like many of the demons claiming to be Satan, Beelzeboul owned his own Hell dimension, and had a large group of creatures that lived there.
Like any good demon, Beelzeboul enjoys his items of evil power. His wife would often burn such objects when she found them, but he still seemed to be creating some. One of the more prominent items was the Hellfire Gun. This gun was only usable when either he or his son willed it to be so. Originally he gave it to his officer, Neith, but Terror and Hellfire stole it, and it is currently in Hellfire's possession.
SATAN-Real Name: Marduk Kurios
Identity/Class: Demon (class two)
Occupation: Currently unknown;
former ruler of a division of Hell;
posed as the president of Consolidated Electronics.
Group Membership: Formerly the Hell-Lords (Beelzeboul, Hela, Lucifer, Mephisto, Murray, Olivier, Pluto, Satannish, Thog, and presumably Ahpuch, Eriskegal, Seth, Yama);
the Four, Hell, Incorporated; Satan (see comments), Six-Fingered Hand
Affiliations: Daimon Hellstrom imposter (pawn), Chapel of Dresden, Joshua Crow, Mephisto, Gabriel Rosetti, Satannish, Soulfire, Souls of the Damned (and millions of others unnamed), Thog;
formerly ruled a legion of demons (including Agathon, Allatou, Baphomet, Basilisk, Belial, Dame Aramanthe, Dansker, Nicholis Eblis, Exiter, Dryminextes, Hellstrom imposter, Inanna, Kthara, Maledril, Nergal, Nightbeast, Pazuzu, Sammael, Somnambulist, Zahgurim, Zannarth, chess demon);
formerly Brimstone (Jason Broderick, Wally Marcus, Dickie, Stix)
possibly the Lords of the Splinter-Realms (Dormammu, D'Spayre, Haemovore Kings of the Outer Dark, Hedron the Faceted, High Seers of Nox, Brutus Klor, Malevolence/King of Pain, Molgotha, the Muranai, Phemous, Pluto, Siffror of the Lifeless, Skarabrous the Stalker, Thog, Umar, Viliven+ thousands)
worshipped by Ambassat, Black School, Church of the Dark Father, Church of Lucifer, Anton Devine and others
Enemies: Armaziel and the forces of Heaven, Asura, Rich Corbett, Defenders, Harry Gotham, Hellcat, Hellstorm, Michael Heron, Lavoisin, Stephen Loss, N'Garai, Possessor, Gabriel Rosetti, Tetragrammaton;
others not listed (see comments)
Known Relatives: Victoria Wingate Hellstrom (former wife), Daimon Hellstrom/Hellstrom/Son of Satan (son), Satana (daughter);
Presumably reborn as child of Lavoisin and Hellstorm
Aliases: Adversary, Angel of Light, B.L. Zeebub, Black Halo, the Devil, Nicholis Eblis, Simon Garth (imposter), Miles Gorney, Lord of Darkness, Lord of the Flies, Lord of Lies, Lou, Master, Prince of Darkness, Prince of Hell, Satan, the Tempter, Trachos, possibly Lucifer and/or Witch Woman (see comments)
Base of Operations: Currently unknown;
formerly a realm of Hell;
formerly Fire Lake, in New England
First Appearance: (as Satan): Marvel Spotlight I#13 (January, 1974)
(Satan named as Marduk Kurios): Hellstorm#16 (July, 1994)
Powers: Marduk is an immensely powerful demon, as would befit a ruler of Hell. on par with the likes of Mephisto, Satannish, and Thog. His powers were much greater within his own realm of Hell, than on Earth, or in other realms.
Since being dethroned by Hellstorm, his powers are markedly reduced, though their limits remain unknown.
and still noone takes any notice because they can see the truth.
Ive said what i had to say on the whole Phoenix thing and ive made well supported arguments. You have yet to do so. You thought the latest bio was a retcon and so made a spite thread only to have posters turn it around into something which merely reaffirmed the jist of what ive been saying all along.
As per usual with nothing left to say youve resorted to spamming a post across the forums. What does that achieve my friend? Be grown up and dont spoil the threads of others with this rubbish. 😮
Originally posted by golem370
SATAN-Real Name: Marduk KuriosIdentity/Class: Demon (class two)
Occupation: Currently unknown;
former ruler of a division of Hell;
posed as the president of Consolidated Electronics.Group Membership: Formerly the Hell-Lords (Beelzeboul, Hela, Lucifer, Mephisto, Murray, Olivier, Pluto, Satannish, Thog, and presumably Ahpuch, Eriskegal, Seth, Yama);
the Four, Hell, Incorporated; Satan (see comments), Six-Fingered HandAffiliations: Daimon Hellstrom imposter (pawn), Chapel of Dresden, Joshua Crow, Mephisto, Gabriel Rosetti, Satannish, Soulfire, Souls of the Damned (and millions of others unnamed), Thog;
formerly ruled a legion of demons (including Agathon, Allatou, Baphomet, Basilisk, Belial, Dame Aramanthe, Dansker, Nicholis Eblis, Exiter, Dryminextes, Hellstrom imposter, Inanna, Kthara, Maledril, Nergal, Nightbeast, Pazuzu, Sammael, Somnambulist, Zahgurim, Zannarth, chess demon);
formerly Brimstone (Jason Broderick, Wally Marcus, Dickie, Stix)
possibly the Lords of the Splinter-Realms (Dormammu, D'Spayre, Haemovore Kings of the Outer Dark, Hedron the Faceted, High Seers of Nox, Brutus Klor, Malevolence/King of Pain, Molgotha, the Muranai, Phemous, Pluto, Siffror of the Lifeless, Skarabrous the Stalker, Thog, Umar, Viliven+ thousands)
worshipped by Ambassat, Black School, Church of the Dark Father, Church of Lucifer, Anton Devine and othersEnemies: Armaziel and the forces of Heaven, Asura, Rich Corbett, Defenders, Harry Gotham, Hellcat, Hellstorm, Michael Heron, Lavoisin, Stephen Loss, N'Garai, Possessor, Gabriel Rosetti, Tetragrammaton;
others not listed (see comments)Known Relatives: Victoria Wingate Hellstrom (former wife), Daimon Hellstrom/Hellstrom/Son of Satan (son), Satana (daughter);
Presumably reborn as child of Lavoisin and HellstormAliases: Adversary, Angel of Light, B.L. Zeebub, Black Halo, the Devil, Nicholis Eblis, Simon Garth (imposter), Miles Gorney, Lord of Darkness, Lord of the Flies, Lord of Lies, Lou, Master, Prince of Darkness, Prince of Hell, Satan, the Tempter, Trachos, possibly Lucifer and/or Witch Woman (see comments)
Base of Operations: Currently unknown;
formerly a realm of Hell;
formerly Fire Lake, in New EnglandFirst Appearance: (as Satan): Marvel Spotlight I#13 (January, 1974)
(Satan named as Marduk Kurios): Hellstorm#16 (July, 1994)Powers: Marduk is an immensely powerful demon, as would befit a ruler of Hell. on par with the likes of Mephisto, Satannish, and Thog. His powers were much greater within his own realm of Hell, than on Earth, or in other realms.
Since being dethroned by Hellstorm, his powers are markedly reduced, though their limits remain unknown.
Golem you need to stop this seriously. What point are you trying to mnake by posting bio after bio. How is it relevant to your thread. It doesnt discredit DC and the role theyve given Yahweh and the brothers in their comic book world.
Forget all the bios. Just state what point youre trying to make and what makes you think that. 🙁
Originally posted by golem370
That there is not a True Satan in Marvel Comics there are numerious Satanic Demons playing Satan.
That doesnt necessarily show that Golem. All it shows are that there are certain lesser beings who imitate Satan. Marvel tends to avoid direct religious references but merely suggests things through symbolism and parallels. Either way this doesnt say there isnt a Satan in Marvel and what does this have to do with a Yahweh Vs Lucifer match up?
In DC they have made Yahweh their supreme being. Lucifer is his son and the most powerful being in DC after its supreme being.
The Yahweh of Marvel is just a skyfather level being who got defeated by Korvac in a what if. Lucifer wins.
Originally posted by golem370
Somebody said that DC based a basic Religious belief
I cant tell from your wording what exactly youre trying to say. 🙁
But seriously forget this line of action. You need to accept that Yahweh is DC's chosen supreme being.
Marvels is TOAA.
As the two multiverses acknowledge each other its likely that TOAA and Yahweh are both aspects of a single omniversal being.
Either way like i said before Marvel hasnt taken an overly religious theme for their supreme being and you cant try and discredit Lucifer or Yahweh of DC by pointing out minor entities in Marvel patterned after figures found in judeo/christian religion
Originally posted by golem370
I Don't have to believe he's anything more then it's the same Yahweh God just more powerful in DC
No Golem dont you see how that doesnt make sense. He is NOT the same because if he was he would be the supreme being. He is NOT.
He is a skyfather level being who patterns himself on judeo/christian religion, just like Mephisto patterns himself on Satan without actually being Satan as stated in his bio.
The supreme being of DC is Yahweh the supreme being of Marvel is TOAA.
Just because his name is Yahweh does not mean he is the same being as DC's but less powerful. Thats awful logic.