Yahweh DC is more powerful than TOAA Marvel. As TOAA has been shown to be fallible and not all powerful, where-as Yahweh has not shown this weakness.
I would more compare TOAA to The Presence[Although I don't recall the presence ever being shown as fallible before either.], before I would Yahweh. Which is considered biblical God INSIDE of DC comics, however we know all these aspects of God are aspects of Yahweh. In Marvel, we have not seen a counterpart. The Presence is the highest ranking thing inside of creation, Yahweh is the creator of creation, possilibity, etc.
It'd tough to explain, but a few will understand I think.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and still noone takes any notice because they can see the truth.Ive said what i had to say on the whole Phoenix thing and ive made well supported arguments. You have yet to do so. You thought the latest bio was a retcon and so made a spite thread only to have posters turn it around into something which merely reaffirmed the jist of what ive been saying all along.
As per usual with nothing left to say youve resorted to spamming a post across the forums. What does that achieve my friend? Be grown up and dont spoil the threads of others with this rubbish. 😮
You really haven't GS you have given opinon based on extrapolation, not argument based on reason. 😂
Its a little sad you don't know the difference - nothing empirical here 😂
no one turned anything round 😂
You left the forum for 2 weeks to regroup 😂
but you came back with the same rhetoric 😂 its still opinion just with far less to extrapolate your rubbish from than before.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yahweh DC is more powerful than TOAA Marvel. As TOAA has been shown to be fallible and not all powerful, where-as Yahweh has not shown this weakness.
I would more compare TOAA to The Presence[Although I don't recall the presence ever being shown as fallible before either.], before I would Yahweh. Which is considered biblical God INSIDE of DC comics, however we know all these aspects of God are aspects of Yahweh. In Marvel, we have not seen a counterpart. The Presence is the highest ranking thing inside of creation, Yahweh is the creator of creation, possilibity, etc.
It'd tough to explain, but a few will understand I think.
Where and how has TOAA been shown to be fallible? I dont recall this and i find it hard to believe considering its never appeared in comics and never even been seen by its agent The Living Tribunal.
With such things in mind as far as we know TOAA is the Unmanifest God and therefore would equate to Yahweh.
Marvels Crown would equate to The Presence. By the real life principles theyre based on they are actually the same thing anyway.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You really haven't GS you have given opinon based on extrapolation, not argument based on reason. 😂Its a little sad you don't know the difference - nothing empirical here 😂
no one turned anything round 😂
You left the forum for 2 weeks to regroup 😂
but you came back with the same rhetoric 😂 its still opinion just with far less to extrapolate your rubbish from than before.
My interpretation is based on on panel events and it incorporates the key points of the latest Phoenix bio.
You disagree with it for the sake of disagreeing. Not once in the last 6 months have you been able to come up with a sufficient counter or source which resulted in its discreditation. Isnt that telling you something my friend?😉
Yes you've been at the helm of another flop attempt but is this spamming really necessary?
If you wish to vent your frustration then do so in a thread of your own making. Not in one where where adults are conversing and couldnt care less for the tantrums of a grown man. 😮 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStormSomeone mentioned him being drained of power for a period of time after creating the universe-- That's a feat more on par with Spectre than Yahweh.[Who created the possibility of Creation] Likewise Lucifer did it with ease.
Where and how has TOAA been shown to be fallible? I dont recall this and i find it hard to believe considering its never appeared in comics and never even been seen by its agent The Living Tribunal.With such things in mind as far as we know TOAA is the Unmanifest God and therefore would equate to Yahweh.
Marvels Crown would equate to The Presence. By the real life principles theyre based on they are actually the same thing anyway.
Originally posted by Juntai
Someone mentioned him being drained of power for a period of time after creating the universe-- That's a feat more on par with Spectre than Yahweh.[Who created the possibility of Creation] Likewise Lucifer did it with ease.
Another thing, is that he needed Thanos to fix the universe because he would have died doing it.
Both show weakness and being fallible.
Yahweh has shown nothing of weakness.
Presence is what would by most standards be consider God in the real life. A force in heaven. The first piece of Yahweh born into creation which created all aspects of creation, such as Heaven, Hell, the Multiverse, life and possibility.
All you've said about TOAA is untrue and this is a prime example of why you should always take unsupported forum talk at face value only. TOAA hasnt been seen on panel he hasnt even been seen by his agents.
He never made creation and was drained of power. Thats absolute rubbish.
HOTU wasnt conclusively gods power. It was a power source Thanos tapped into and he speculated on its origins in The End. The origins of the power were never revealed.
Also if youve read Lucifer 68 you'll find Yahweh unsure of what decision to make on the future of his creation therefore he consults both Elaine Belloc and Lilith. Does that sound like an omniscient supreme being to you? Based on that Yahweh could be another godhead and there could even greater being whom Yahweh is just an aspect of. The fact that the two multiverses acknowledge each other suggests that is the case.
Either way the comments you made on TOAA stemmed from hearsay and were incorrect. Now ive brought to the table info that brings into question Yahwehs status, Feel free to ask for Lucifer scans.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As usual GS tries to rubbish another respected member "Juntai" this time to validate his Crusade. 😂So sad. ❌ 🙁
How am i rubbishing him. Me and J are friends. That doesnt mean we always have to agree does it? 😕
What crusade would you be referring to old man? Another fabrication. 🙄
In Lucifer 68, Yahweh seems apathetic about creation as a whole. And decides to have a couple of his creations debate why it should stay or go. Where is the weakness?
I don't need scans I have the issue.
Likewise the Presence has never been seen on panel, because he is as far as the multiverse is concerned-- DC's God. This is why I see TOAA as on par with Presence.. Apperently this is also an internet wide phenomenon, judging by a simple Google search. I believe you've even claimed as such in many a previous thread, but now try to place it on par with an even higher entity.
Marvel may indeed have a Yahweh-esque being, but I don't believe we've seen or heard of it yet.
Originally posted by Juntai
In Lucifer 68, Yahweh seems apathetic about creation as a whole. And decides to have a couple of his creations debate why it should stay or go. Where is the weakness?I don't need scans I have the issue.
Likewise the Presence has never been seen on panel, because he is as far as the multiverse is concerned-- DC's God. This is why I see TOAA as on par with Presence.. Apperently this is also an internet wide phenomenon, judging by a simple Google search. I believe you've even claimed as such in many a previous thread, but now try to place it on par with an even higher entity.
Marvel may indeed have a Yahweh-esque being, but I don't believe we've seen or heard of it yet.
Presence has been represented on panel by the Primum Mobile. The throne room in the Silver City is his place of power. He is not a physical being but he has been represented on panel as aforementioned.
Presence is the equivalent of Marvels Crown. Not TOAA. Keter means Crown or Presence and is represented in creation via The Primum Mobile (DC's choice) or the Big Bang/Phoenix (Marvels choice). By definition they are one and the same.
Internet searches/fansites do not equate conclusive evidence. They know just as much as us. Thats why its best to stick to on panel evidence and official sources.
TOAA is more akin to the Unmanifest. Thats also what i believed Yahweh to be but the fact that a minor demon from hell made a machine which gave him access to Yahwehs thoughts suggests that that is not the case. (Issue 32 and 38+) as does Yahweh making contact with Ellaine and Lilith and conversing with them and asking their opinions on what course of action he should take.
Either way there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that TOAA is anything but the Unmanifest. You have the Crown in Marvel creation and you have Phoenix descending from the Crown into creation as Tiphereth yet beyond Phoenix and LT you have TOAA.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAnd LT is accepted as Marvel's counterpart to The Spectre, though Spectre due to having his own book has higher highs and lower lows than LT does. Through his years, Spectre generally was depicted as decended from The Presence, which is the God in DC Comics, The Presence said "Let there be light." and there was light, and reality came to be. Yahweh, on the other scope, had to create creation for this possibility to even exist. There is a complete lack of physical evidence to really support either case, but Spectre and LT acting for their respective Powers-That-Be as "Guardians of the Multiverse", gives me the impressive of Presence = TOAA. And Presence is only a fraction of Yahweh's whole.
Presence has been represented on panel by the Primum Mobile. The throne room in the Silver City is his place of power. He is not a physical being but he has been represented on panel as aforementioned.Presence is the equivalent of Marvels Crown. Not TOAA. Keter means Crown or Presence and is represented in creation via The Primum Mobile (DC's choice) or the Big Bang/Phoenix (Marvels choice). By definition they are one and the same.
Internet searches/fansites do not equate conclusive evidence. They know just as much as us. Thats why its best to stick to on panel evidence and official sources.
TOAA is more akin to the Unmanifest. Thats also what i believed Yahweh to be but the fact that a minor demon from hell made a machine which gave him access to Yahwehs thoughts suggests that that is not the case. (Issue 32 and 38+) as does Yahweh making contact with Ellaine and Lilith and conversing with them and asking their opinions on what course of action he should take.
Either way there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that TOAA is anything but the Unmanifest. You have the Crown in Marvel creation and you have Phoenix descending from the Crown into creation as Tiphereth yet beyond Phoenix and LT you have TOAA.
Originally posted by Juntai
And LT is accepted as Marvel's counterpart to The Spectre, though Spectre due to having his own book has higher highs and lower lows than LT does. Through his years, Spectre generally was depicted as decended from The Presence, which is the God in DC Comics, The Presence said "Let there be light." and there was light, and reality came to be. Yahweh, on the other scope, had to create creation for this possibility to even exist. There is a complete lack of physical evidence to really support either case, but Spectre and LT acting for their respective Powers-That-Be as "Guardians of the Multiverse", gives me the impressive of Presence = TOAA. And Presence is only a fraction of Yahweh's whole.
So basically your only basis for saying that TOAA equals Presence and not Yahweh is because Lt said he serves TOAA?
Thats poor Juntai especially when by definition the Crown equals the Presence and like you said the Presence aspect created reality so to did the Crown through the BigBang/Phoenix. Then beyond the Crown you have TOAA who by all accounts is Marvels supreme being.
On top of that scattered through Lucifer especially from 38 onwards you have Lucifer and Michael talking of how they serve Yahweh, how Yahwehs their father completely bypassing Presence. So it works both ways my friend. Between Lt and TOAA you have the Crown just like between the brothers and Yahweh you have Presence.