Ms.Marvel vs Wolverine

Started by DarkCrawler14 pages
Originally posted by wolverine8888
again wolverien can easiliy cut right through him. woilverien can tak ehis best shots. wolverine can and has hit namor. there no reasons why namor should stomp wolverine at all all ur evidence u post in the other thread still proved shit because u were unable to prove why wolverien can't hit him even though he does.

"That's why direct fights between stronger and weaker characters are bad...the stronger, faster and better side is ALWAYS jobbing."

Here is everything that was badly written in that issue...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Still grasping into that piece of badly written comic, jinzin? ❌

That's all you have? Even though I have given reasons why it is badly-written?

After all these pages, you still say "he already defeated him once in a comic, so why are we debating!".

Well...Captain Cold has defeated Flash...why are people debating...

Why do I need to post this over and over?

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman."

In which way Namor didn't use his skills/powers to fullest extent in the comic?

Let me show you:

On the [b]first instace of PIS, Namor hits Wolverine two times. All that happens to Wolverine is his head being thrown back a little.

Namor's punches have moved the likes of: Silver Surfer, Hulk, battleships, fighter jets, cars, trucks...but they did not move Wolverine.

Conclusion: Namor was not hitting Wolverine nowhere close to full power, thus: NOT USING HIS POWERS TO FULL EXTENT.

Second instace of PIS, Wolverine slashes Namor and it seems to cause incredible pain to him.

Namor has amazing pain resistance. He has carried Toro, who was going to supernova, to the water to save his life, even though he has special weakness to heat. He has continued fighting with gaping sword hole on his chest. He carried his friend to Atlantis and refused to fall down until his friend was safe. One slash should not have hurt THAT much. And he has even taken slashes from Wolverine before, and didn't seem to be hurt at all.

Third instace of PIS, Namor should have been able to dodge that slash. He has dodged things that are ten times as fast. He has dodged slashes from Wolverine before. He just stands there as Wolverine slashes him.

Three instances of PIS on first page...on to the next one.

Fourth instace of PIS, Namor seems to struggle with HALF A TON PIECE OF STEEL. He says "unhh" when lifting that. Namor was lifting things like that as an kid. He has shoved an battleship to safety, lifted ships that weigh over hundred thousand tons, thrown and tank that weighs fifty tons miles in the air...and swinging one piece of steel is hard to him. 🤨

On to the third page...

Fifth instace of PIS, Namor tries to talk peacefully with an man who just murdered his friend and advisor! What the hell?! The REAL Avenging Son would be just flurry of fists at Wolverine right now. He would not give an murderer a chance to breath, he would just hammer away until his enemy would dead/near to death. The murderer of his wife was nearly a bloodied mass on the floor if Susan Storm had not stopped Namor, and the murderer was a woman. I wonder why Namor would pity an short, hairy man so much that he wouldn't kill him in the first minute?

Fourth page...

Sixth instace of PIS, Namor is still talking to Wolverine. He lands down on the ground and puts his fists on uncertain position that almost screams: "I don't know a shit about fighting, even though I am nearly a hundred year old!".

Seventh instace of PIS, Namor stands in one place, even though Wolverine is going at the oil tank first, which would have given him lot of time to dodge. No. He stands in one place, and even removes his fist from to way to give Wolverine a clear chance to stab him. 😂

Seven instances of Namor acting unlike he usually acts on comics...hmm...bad writing truly is a fitting word here.

And when have I said that Namor is never written correctly? 🤨 [/B]

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hmm...I just realized...didn't USAgent kick Wolverine many meters on the issue?

So Namor was hitting with maybe on fourth of power USAgent was..USAgent is 10-tonner...Namor was maybe hitting him with two-ton force...he was REALLY jobbing there. 😂

B.A.D.W.R.I.T.I.N.G.

Anyone who says that Namor was fighting to his fullest there is an dumbass...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"That's why direct fights between stronger and weaker characters are bad...the stronger, faster and better side is ALWAYS jobbing."

Here is everything that was badly written in that issue...

Anyone who says that Namor was fighting to his fullest there is an dumbass...

stop with ur stupid ass excuses it amzaing.
wolverien can and has hit namor face it.

Thing has also barely bopped Wolverine on the the head and knocked him out.

Face it.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
stop with ur stupid ass excuses it amzaing.
wolverien can and has hit namor face it.

Wow, thanks. You really adressed all my points there. 😐

You really told me that Namor was fighting to his fullest there by proving it with something...

No..you really did not.

Try again.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Thing has also barely bopped Wolverine on the the head and knocked him out.

Face it.

again ur use very very low end feats vs his constant hie end feat also wolverine gone through what 4 hela up grades since then and also if u ever read the ****ing comic mr.fantastic tells thing he was lucky wolverine had some thign wrong with him.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again ur use very very low end feats

And you use very low end feats with Namor...hypocrite.

When the hell did my thread become Namor vs Wolverine version 2.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And you use very low end feats with Namor...hypocrite.

again that only once heppen to wolverine.

namor has foughten wolverine twice both tiems he hit namor easiliy.
namor been hit by spiderman,daredevil,captain america and many many more and the hulk so stop saying it a low end feat.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again that only once heppen to wolverine.

namor has foughten wolverine twice both tiems he hit namor easiliy.
namor been hit by spiderman,daredevil,captain america and many many more and the hulk so stop saying it a low end feat.

Namor has also dodged lasers, missiles, bullets, machine gun fire, torpedoes...

Low end feat.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor has also dodged lasers, missiles, bullets, machine gun fire, torpedoes...

Low end feat.

wolverine ahs dodge lazer missle bullets machine gun fire. not seenig ur piont

Originally posted by Jose123
When the hell did my thread become Namor vs Wolverine version 2.

Threads tend to metamorph once or while.

The most usual one is a thread morphing into Spider-Man VS Wolverine...although they do sometimes morph into something else, like in this case. It usually ceases after few pages.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
wolverine ahs dodge lazer missle bullets machine gun fire. not seenig ur piont

I'm saying that he dodges faster things then fists and kicks of any of those people you listed...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Threads tend to metamorph once or while.

The most usual one is a thread morphing into Spider-Man VS Wolverine...although they do sometimes morph into something else, like in this case. It usually ceases after few pages.

well I'll try to get the topic back on at least the same characters

So which is more sexy
Carols Boobs or wolvys hairy man back.

Originally posted by Jose123
"His superhumanly fastss Hes d eBAst FIGhtrs In WOrldss DA ADOmitumsn Clwas"

Be prepared for 10 pages of that.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
funny because u have yet to show prove once to any state ment u have claimed

What's the name of that really long river in Egypt again? 😛

Originally posted by Melnorme
What's the name of that really long river in Egypt again? 😛

Wait I know this one ughhh the Congo!!!!! ✅

Wait no......
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Wolverine...here's the thing. Even if a character you really like can't take another character, it doesn't mean anything beyond that. It doesn't make him any worse of a character, and it doesn't make his opponent "better" than your boy. As you've probably guessed, I'm a fan of Spider-Man. But I don't think he can take Superman, or the Flash, or Hulk, or Sentry, or what have you. It doesn't make me like Spider-Man any less. It doesn't make him a worse character relative to the others. In fact, characters with flaws and limitations are more interesting. They're heroic in comics because they can and do overrcome the odds.

But the point of these threads is to discuss the "odds". Assuming a set of conditions, such as Bloodlust and no PIS, what is the most probable outcome.

In that respect, yes, we all agree (I think) that if Wolverine were to have his claws, and manage to get into striking range, and overcome her obviously superior agility with his obviously superior fighting experience, he could have a shot at taking her down. But, in all probability if she keeps her distance, and wears him down with energy bolts, and comes in for a vicious burst of speed punches, he's not going to have a realistic chance of doing that. He's not a flier and can't leap over all buildings, he's not invulnerable, he doesn't have a ranged attack, nor superspeed. He's a very tough, very experienced, peak level human with claws; the ultimate street-level brawler. Losing to Gadiator or Thanos or the Silver Surfer is a foregone conclusion with this in mind. And in a similar light, he's almost sure to lose to Ms. Marvel; she's just a different kind of fighter.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm saying that he dodges faster things then fists and kicks of any of those people you listed...

again that would make namor hitting wolverine a low end feat of wolverines

Originally posted by Melnorme
Wolverine...here's the thing. Even if a character you really like can't take another character, it doesn't mean anything beyond that. It doesn't make him any worse of a character, and it doesn't make his opponent "better" than your boy. As you've probably guessed, I'm a fan of Spider-Man. But I don't think he can take Superman, or the Flash, or Hulk, or Sentry, or what have you. It doesn't make me like Spider-Man any less. It doesn't make him a worse character relative to the others. In fact, characters with flaws and limitations are more interesting. They're heroic in comics because they can and do overrcome the odds.

But the point of these threads is to discuss the "odds". Assuming a set of conditions, such as Bloodlust and no PIS, what is the most probable outcome.

In that respect, yes, we all agree (I think) that if Wolverine were to have his claws, and manage to get into striking range, and overcome her obviously superior agility with his obviously superior fighting experience, he could have a shot at taking her down. But, in all probability if she keeps her distance, and wears him down with energy bolts, and comes in for a vicious burst of speed punches, he's not going to have a realistic chance of doing that. He's not a flier and can't leap over all buildings, he's not invulnerable, he doesn't have a ranged attack, nor superspeed. He's a very tough, very experienced, peak level human with claws; the ultimate street-level brawler. Losing to Gadiator or Thanos or the Silver Surfer is a foregone conclusion with this in mind. And in a similar light, he's almost sure to lose to Ms. Marvel; she's just a different kind of fighter.

who says her agility is superior?
see I don't a grere with most any thing ur saying.
again u show u don't know wolveirne at all because again u just said he peakhuamn showing u don't ever read a dam wolverine or x-men comic ever.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
again that would make namor hitting wolverine a low end feat of wolverines

Namor's hands move faster then you think...well over Mach speeds.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's hands move faster then you think...well over Mach speeds.

again u saying wolverine don't when u have no evidence that they don't.
aplus lazer gun much faster then match speed.