And Sidious is THE strongest Sith ever. Bane is also HIGHLY up there. Sidious would wreck Kreia in a force battle, that man is the embodiment of the Sith, the imbalance of the Force, the avatar of evil in Star Wars. He is the only Sith ever to overthrow and destroy the Jedi AND take the Galaxy. It took the Force itself to create a chosen one against him...and in the EU, you really don't want to get into some of the things he does there
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Sidious is THE strongest Sith ever. Bane is also HIGHLY up there. Sidious would wreck Kreia in a force battle, that man is the embodiment of the Sith, the imbalance of the Force, the avatar of evil in Star Wars. He is the only Sith ever to overthrow and destroy the Jedi AND take the Galaxy. It took the Force itself to create a chosen one against him...and in the EU, you really don't want to get into some of the things he does there
Go back to the movies forum or stop talking crap like that....
sidious is not the most powerful Sith Lord ever. He is weaker then most if not all of the older Sith Lords. Sidious will get pawned by the force and in a lightsaber fight by most of them. He is a politician not a warrior and not a fighter this debate has been done 2 million times and everytime you movie fanboys lost.
I would advise you to just accept that Sidious is a politician and move on, he's brilliant but he's no fighter.
No. Quite frankly, he is not. There is EU that states he is the strongest of all time. I advise you to stop listening to KOTOR so much. You want the sources that list Sidious as so incredibly powerful? Don;'t you tell me what 'crap' I'm talking. You want to debate me on this? Go ahead! But then why don't you tell Kevin J. Anderson, Leland chee, Marka Ragnos, numerous sorucebooks and comics that they're wrong? And Kevin Anderson CREATED those ancient Sith.
Don't call me a fanboy for defending what's right in Star Wars. Tell me what these ancient Sith did to compare to Palpatine in dark Empire. I'm waiting
Originally posted by Escape81
Fishy, I'm going to try to remain as neutral as possible - but more sources label Sidious as the most powerful Sith of all time than any other Sith. Hell, Ragnos hasn't been called it once - save for the one comic book where he's featured.
Greatest... Greatest he's called greatest a lot. And with that you can agree or disagree but he is one of the greatest the only one to ever succeed. DE Sidious is ranked amongst the most powerful, not the most powerful. Movie Sidious doesn't even come close to the most powerful...
Originally posted by Fishy
Show me links. quote the actual text and page from the numerous books. Just saying the evidence exists means nothing.
The Essential Chronology or whatever labels him as 'the most powerful Sith to exist'.
The Visual Guide for ROTS says that the Sith waited for one powerful enough to bring about their ultimate victory, and Sidious was it.
Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:
"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."
Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."
Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."
Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."
Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."
Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."
Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."
Hmmm. I know it sounds completely unbelievable. . . but he does have more proof than any one else.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The only one who'd probably be comparable would be Ragnos himself
"Seems to need"? No proof.
But anyway, some thoughts for you.
If Palpatine is more powerful than any other Sith, then why?:
Why didn't he beat the living daylights out of Mace Windu? George Lucas confirms on the DVD commentary that "Mace overpowers Sidious in this scene." ?
Why didn't he spawn a wormhole to suck Yoda into oblivion? If he is that powerful too, why did he try and run from Yoda? Also, how was Yoda able to deflect his lightning if he is so powerful?
How does Vader kill him? Surely if he was that powerful, He would have just imploded Vader's head or something.
Wht didn't he conjure up a force storm to; a) wipe out the Rebel fleet at Endor? Or b) wipe out the Jedi temple with it?
If Sidious is really powerful, then why does he have to ask for help from the Ancient Sith in the first place?
If Sidious is on a higher tier than Freddon Nadd, then why doesn't he conquer planets by himself? Nadd could do it with a blaster and a short lightsabre, Sidious has far more equipment, he could technically obliterate the rebels!
If Palpatine is so powerful, then why didn't he just kill Plageous outright? Killing someone in his sleep suggests that he was scared of his master.
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Answers please 😛
Minus the tiny little detail that we SAW Nihilius do what he did when the team wrote their KOTOR comics.
1. He either thought Windu'd fall easy or wanted to buy time for Anakin to arrive and fake his weakness-According to George he did the latter. And overpowering was physical.
2. Because he was overconfident and the time it'd take to create a wormhole could be fatal. Not to mention Yoda looked down for the count and played possum and George Lucas sucks as a writer.
3. Gee, it was only Vader's DESTINY. Vader was a second behind Sidious, 1, had the Force backing him, 2 andSidious didn't know what the hell was going on, 3...he just managed to direct lightning to Vader before Vader tossed him.
4. You mean letting everyone know he was the Sith manipulating the war? Yes. Yes, that would be a BRILLIANT idea when you're focused on trying to eliminate the last Skywalker threat.
5. Well, when this is happening.....he's stuck in a last clone body that was tampered with so his mind and age are deteroriating and knowledge does not equal power when it comes to this scenario....if you were rotting of disease and couldn't even use a basic force push without speeding up the end of your life...
6. You know how Nadd conquered A planet? He did a little darkside display and was hailed as a God. That's it. I'm sure Palpatine'd want to make himself a walking target and have every ship in the galaxy begin turbolasering his palace.
7. Well, possibly because he was younger and weaker when he killed Plageuis? Could have something to do with it