Forum attitude on war in Iraq and terrorists in general

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

- John F. Kennedy

Bush has made the first impossible, so the only option left is the latter. While the US continues to occupy Iraq, there will be no peace as too many Iraqi factions resent them being there. Perhaps it is a difficult outcome to accept, but the only way a truly representative government will emerge is after the initial anarchy that will result from a complete US withdrawal. Of course, this will never happen for many reasons, which means that Iraq is going to be f*cked-up for a long time.

Thank you, America.

LOL they were f*cked up long before we got there we just added flavor to the stew🙂 We are the big kids on the block so we decide what game to play and the rules however man especially the middle east has been in constant conflict for centuries. Now they can unite against a different enemy lol.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

- John F. Kennedy

Bush has made the first impossible, so the only option left is the latter. While the US continues to occupy Iraq, there will be no peace as too many Iraqi factions resent them being there. Perhaps it is a difficult outcome to accept, but the only way a truly representative government will emerge is after the initial anarchy that will result from a complete US withdrawal. Of course, this will never happen for many reasons, which means that Iraq is going to be f*cked-up for a long time.

Thank you, America.

France made it impossible! (I'm not anti-French by the way)

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL they were f*cked up long before we got there we just added flavor to the stew🙂 We are the big kids on the block so we decide what game to play and the rules however man especially the middle east has been in constant conflict for centuries. Now they can unite against a different enemy lol.

Big Kid right now but you'll go the same way Britain did....Bring on China!

(I'm not trying to stir up hostilities here)

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Big Kid right now but you'll go the same way Britain did....Bring on China!

Perhaps no "kingdom" lasts forever! However back on topic I would have thought America would have learned from Vietnam and found that a highly visible military presence in any country REALLY for whatever reason brings tons of hostility back to the "invading" country.

Special ops need to be used and more often in these type of settings mostly because no stink-in media camera's can follow them to heap up unneeded critisicm.

Originally posted by soleran30
Perhaps no "kingdom" lasts forever! However back on topic I would have thought America would have learned from Vietnam and found that a highly visible military presence in any country REALLY for whatever reason brings tons of hostility back to the "invading" country.

Special ops need to be used and more often in these type of settings mostly because no stink-in media camera's can follow them to heap up unneeded critisicm.

Your right there, For example the British Empire got nothing but hostility from most of it's territories but some (Australia) seemed to like us....the Aborigines didn't though. So its seems invaders are hated no matter what good they do..The Romans for example.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL they were f*cked up long before we got there we just added flavor to the stew🙂 We are the big kids on the block so we decide what game to play and the rules however man especially the middle east has been in constant conflict for centuries. Now they can unite against a different enemy lol.

When debating, it would help if you can formulate an ideologically and grammatically coherent post.

From what I can decipher, you seem to be saying that Iraq was already a mess, so the US just made it more of one. Well done, you defeated your own argument there!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
When debating, it would help if you can formulate an ideologically and grammatically coherent post.

From what I can decipher, you seem to be saying that Iraq was already a mess, so the US just made it more of one. Well done, you defeated your own argument there!

innocent

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Tell me how is removing an "evil" tyrant wrong? An evil tyrant we put in place so Kharma Dog WMDs or no we where cleaning up our mess!

O.k. first off, making an even bigger mess is not, by definition, cleaning up your own mess.

The other thing about that "evil tyrant" is that he was actually more of a stabilizing force in control of that country than that country is now. Also, more people have died since the war began than under Sadam's rule and many iraqis are saying that they now fear more for their lives than when sadam was in power.

I never liked sadam one bit, he was an ******* that ruled iraq with only his personal interests in mind and was a tyrant, but invading a country under fabricated pretexts and trying to justify it through other means is wrong.

Not too mention that if Bush was serious about his war on terror he would have finished the job in afghanistan and then targeted other countries where a terrorist threat was actually found.

By attacking Iraq, Bush aided the terrorists.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. first off, making an even bigger mess is not, by definition, cleaning up your own mess.

The other thing about that "evil tyrant" is that he was actually more of a stabilizing force in control of that country than that country is now. Also, more people have died since the war began than under Sadam's rule and many iraqis are saying that they now fear more for their lives than when sadam was in power.

I never liked sadam one bit, he was an ******* that ruled iraq with only his personal interests in mind and was a tyrant, but invading a country under fabricated pretexts and trying to justify it through other means is wrong.

Not too mention that if Bush was serious about his war on terror he would have finished the job in afghanistan and then targeted other countries where a terrorist threat was actually found.

By attacking Iraq, Bush aided the terrorists.

Please not the ""'s around evil

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Your right there, For example the British Empire got nothing but hostility from most of it's territories but some (Australia) seemed to like us....the Aborigines didn't though. So its seems invaders are hated no matter what good they do..The Romans for example.

I am a very big fan of Roman history, I sure hope you are not saying that the brutality of rome should have been overlooked by conquered populations because of the culture that rome brought to them? That is not only inaccurate, it is indeed a slippery slope.

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Please not the ""'s around evil

what he heck are you trying to say?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. first off, making an even bigger mess is not, by definition, cleaning up your own mess.

The other thing about that "evil tyrant" is that he was actually more of a stabilizing force in control of that country than that country is now. Also, more people have died since the war began than under Sadam's rule and many iraqis are saying that they now fear more for their lives than when sadam was in power.

I never liked sadam one bit, he was an ******* that ruled iraq with only his personal interests in mind and was a tyrant, but invading a country under fabricated pretexts and trying to justify it through other means is wrong.

Not too mention that if Bush was serious about his war on terror he would have finished the job in afghanistan and then targeted other countries where a terrorist threat was actually found.

By attacking Iraq, Bush aided the terrorists.

Agreed. People should never let themselves forget the extremity of Bush's misdeeds:

He lied about WMDs.
He lied about the treatment of prisoners.
He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
He has ruled over a nation paralysed by the fear he has manipulated.

And to think they tried to impeach Clinton over a blow-job...

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Agreed. People should never let themselves forget the extremity of Bush's misdeeds:

[B]He lied about WMDs.
He lied about the treatment of prisoners.
He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
He has ruled over a nation paralysed by the fear he has manipulated.

And to think they tried to impeach Clinton over a blow-job... [/B]

Lets not say "Lied" over WMDs thats slander after all there is no definite proof he made it up!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Stolen from another forum 😮

Forum attitude on war in Iraq and terrorists in general

OK you're the President of the US and you have the following 4 general strategies. Which do you follow?

1. Admit we were wrong in attacking, apologize, restore Saddam to power and promise never to use US military forces unless definitively authorized by UN.
2. Withdraw from Iraq as soon as logistically possible and let the chips there fall as they may.
3. Stay the course. As Iraqis become more capable of defending themselves from insurgent attacks, US and coalition forces leave.
4. A more aggressive war against Islamic terrrorists is in the best interests of the US and the civilized world. US mobilizes and announces to the world that an attack by any Islamic terrorist group against the US or her allies will be treated as a direct attack by that nation known to support that group against the US.

Is rather difficult to address this issue with a neutral stand. Most people as you'll observe have already made up their minds and biased on their opinions on whether opposing or supporting the war on Iraq. Given the fact that people DON'T care or are even willing to listen to the other side without jokes, taunts, and witty remarks. You won't get a straight answer. Best just to live your life and ignore both sides.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Agreed. People should never let themselves forget the extremity of Bush's misdeeds:

[B]He lied about WMDs.
He lied about the treatment of prisoners.
He is responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
He has ruled over a nation paralysed by the fear he has manipulated.

And to think they tried to impeach Clinton over a blow-job... [/B]

That kills me, it seems that everyone is o.k. with a major conflict, that didn't need to happen and actually put the states in an even more threatened position that costs billions of dollars and thousands of lives, but just can't stand the fact that a guy got a hummer in the oval office and was too afraid to admit to it.

Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav
Lets not say "Lied" over WMDs thats slander after all there is no definite proof he made it up!

Are you serious?

While I feel terrorists< people who threaten the lives of uninvolved people for the purpose of getting their way> are disgusting people who are better off with a knife in the neck than alive, I sitll believe we should not be there. We don't have to worry about another terrorist attack here. If we used that money for the "war on terror" on securing our borders and other important issues like cheaper education, poverty relief we would be much better off as a country. Even with our inflated budget funding the war we still haven't had any instances of domestic terrorism since 9-11. We could likely spend more than half of the 500 BILLION dollar defense budget on programs to help oiut the poor and struggling. Shit we could build an entire new New Orleans with a some of that money. INstead of letting private companies go there and do nothing about the gap between the poor and rich we could get some state sponsored jobs and programs down there to help educate and give jobs to those ****ed up people. We whould get out now but we don't need to apologize to anyone. I don't think anyone is expecting an apology anyway they just want us out. If they want democracy they definitely don't need us imposing it on them.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Is rather difficult to address this issue with a neutral stand. Most people as you'll observe have already made up their minds and biased on their opinions on whether opposing or supporting the war on Iraq. Given the fact that people DON'T care or are even willing to listen to the other side without jokes, taunts, and witty remarks. You won't get a straight answer. Best just to live your life and ignore both sides.

It wasn't you who was talking about ignorance in another thread was it?

(Look a sarchy comment...sorry 😛)

And if people don't share your opinions then make them!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Are you serious?

No, I'm just trying to put forward a very definite Pro-Bush argument even if I don't agree with his policies. Its important that i can push your argument to the limit therefore ensuring it's solid!

Originally posted by meep-meep
While I feel terrorists< people who threaten the lives of uninvolved people for the purpose of getting their way> are disgusting people who are better off with a knife in the neck than alive,

Thousands of innocent civilians have died in Iraq, are they victims of "people who threaten the lives of uninvolved people for the purpose of getting their way"?