Titanic Battle?
Darth Revan, Darth Bane and Darth Traya versus (Dark Empire) Darth Sidious, (Dark Empire) Luke Skywalker, Darth Tyranus, (Original Trilogy) Darth Vader and Darth Maul.
Revan's team definitely take this. Bane would be able to take Maul and Vader, Kreia would take Tyranus adn Revan would take Luke and Sidious.
Game over.
Originally posted by Fishy
From all we know it will take him some time to prepare the storm up to a minute or so. He's not going to have that time. DE Sidious his awesome force storm will not be fired unless all the others are willing to sacrifise themselves for him. A possibility but even then Dooku and Luke do not have the power to keep the three heavy weights on the other side away from DE Sidious for that long. One attack is enough to kill somebody who can't defend himself.And before you say anything Maul and Vader are dead in the first second. This fight would not be decided by a force storm.
In one fight, DE Luke's power is combined with Anakin's Solo's latent Force attunement - and Leia's own - and he engages DE Sidious in a lightsaber duel, and manages to beat him in the end. Sidious then said:
"I'm done with these Jedi games" and makes a Force Storm in a few seconds, but they managed to escape by all three of them cutting him off from the Force temporarily.
Sorry, Fishy, but Sidious maybe needs thirty seconds at best to conjure a Force storm that can kill a few people standing in front of him. That Force Storm was conjured to take out the entire room, and that STILL didn't take long.
If DE Sidious gets a Force storm out, it's OVER.
So. We have DE Luke (who is extremely powerful as it is), combined with the Force attunement (not actual current power) of Leia and Anakin Solo (both of whom possess undeniable attunement to the Force) and is only just able to defeat DE Sidious in lightsaber combat.
So, from that instance - we know Sidious is a heavyweight in saber dueling, not unlike Revan. I don't see Revan owning Sidious at all, though there is a very good chance that he would win a duel, eventually.
Secondly, no one on Bane's team - not even Revan - has displayed the Force feats that Sidious has. A Force Storm can obliterate an entire fleet of ships, people, and - when Sidious wills it so - he can transport people into space, of which there is no survival (I don't think).
Dooku, Vader, Maul, and DE Luke are all sufficiently skilled to take on the other combatants for at least long enough for Sidious to prepare a quick Force Storm (which, as I said, only takes less than a minute). I am sorry, but, Revan can't cut down these four in thirty seconds. Not even with Bane or Kreia.
Not only that, but Sidious could simply - as Glentract said - put a few of them into space.
The fact of the matter is, the only possible way that Revan, Bane, or Kreia will survive this is if all three attack DE Sidious. If that happens, then Sidious's team is screwed. But if not, Sidious will beat them.
Agreed, except for the last part, no way that Revan, Bane and Traya are getting through Sidious' allies before he can muster up a force storm. All people on Revan's team (including Revan himself), are at an unknown power level. We can't say Revan is good just because we want him to be. We can't say Traya pwns because she seemed smart in Kotor 2. Bane was good, I hear, but why would he be any better than Vader, for instance?
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Agreed, except for the last part, no way that Revan, Bane and Traya are getting through Sidious' allies before he can muster up a force storm. All people on Revan's team (including Revan himself), are at an unknown power level. We can't say Revan is good just because we want him to be. We can't say Traya pwns because she seemed smart in Kotor 2. Bane was good, I hear, but why would he be any better than Vader, for instance?
We know Revan is stronger then Malak. We also know that Kreia is stronger then the Exile because she pwned him on Dantooine and he is immune to her instakill. She lost on purpose at Malachor V.
Bane was the most powerful Sith out of 20,000 war hardened guys and then got a lot stronger. He certainly outdoes Vader by a ton.
I firmly doubt he's stronger than Vader. Bane was known for his knowledge and wisdom, not his strength and power. And lost on purpose at Malachor? That'd defeat a lot of the purpose of her lesson. She gave her all and died.
Sidious's team takes this...we have Luke, who's power is....incredible. Sidious, the strongest Sith there is along with two rather decent Sith...
Are you going to try to argue against the movie canon? Vader sucks. I used to try to argue for him, but it's the truth. ROTJ Luke sucks to when put next to Bane or Revan.
Traya did lose on purpose. There is no other reasonable explanation for the Exile having become so powerful so fast. I also don't see how it would defeat her lesson.
Sidious is tough, but really, you haven't(or at least as far as I have seen, I'm still looking through that other thread escape made) shown him so be the strongest Sith of all time.
When is Vader ever shown to suck? The closest he gets to it is in ROTJ when he's clearly not fighting to his best against Luke-who, in rage, is supposed to be off the charts in power.
I'd think the Exile accessed his potential. He was already quite strong and Traya seemed to believe that unless he could match and beat her, he was a failure. She said it was him or her...and I doubt KReia'd go easy on him. She didn't seem the type.
As for Sidious, I'm getting to it. My point is, the continuity does have him on that plateau.
Vader's lightsaber skill in ROTJ is second rate. Also, Luke isn't off the charts in power even during his rage. A smart person could use it against him and destroy him.
It still doesn't make any sense that she could pwn him and then lose a day or so later.
If you would just give me the ship counts and types that were destroyed by Palpatine's force storm I could calculate the level of power necessary for that feat and compare it to some other "impresive" feats.
Luke got the massive drop on Vader there. I doubt anyone could face that onslaught and do much, especially when they're not trying to kill Luke.
Vader's only issue in ROTJ is not being computer animated.
As for ship counts, lesse...give me a bit to find Dark Empire and look through it? I don't really know these ships by sight though
Ragnos could have simply grabbed him with the force and held him still.
And the fact that he is slow. If GL wanted to redo him he could in a few months tops. He has the money to do whatever he wants to SW.
You can probably find a gallery of the star ships on google pretty easily.
Edit: Now that I think about it, I don't need them, or at least shouldn't. It will take me a while to calculate it though.
Originally posted by Veneficus
Well what you'd know? Looks like little Lightsnake keeps running around spreading his fanboysism for all to see.Glentract I still can't understand why your even bothering to argue with this moron.
Calm down. I, like I though most Dark Tower regulars did, support free thinking. He's made tons of good points and you have no reason to call him a moron or anything like that. I'm not saying that I agree with him on his views, but no need to become uncivil.
You realize that for a grab, he'd have to lose his guard and risk reaching? That's suicidal. For that you'd have to concentrate and on a pissed off opponent...there's a reason a similar trick failed on Ulic Qel-Droma....and Ragnos was never known for his fighting ability.
Here's my main question now: What did Revan ever do to put himself near Sidious? Most anything is a gameplay mechanic