Darth Maul vs Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nothing to support that. Even in the novelization, he realizes he needs to fight or he'll be killed. and Gillard puts windu and Sidious on the same level....see he only makes up their fighting styles, how dare he compare them

What!? Windu beat Sidious, fair and square. If you dislike it, take it up with Lucas.

Why should we listen to the EP3 Novelization? it contradicts the movies in many places.

Yes, he does: Not by any saber skill, but a kick to the face. Gillard sas they're both 9s and he's got the authority, not you.
Novelizations are in the continuity. Take it up with Leland Chee if you're mad. They can be used to explain things from the movies as the scripts and novelizations are official

"Mace basically overpowers Sidios in this scene." - George Lucas

Can you really see any other Sith Lord getting kicked by a Jedi? He should have got up and fought again.

Or blasted him out of the window with a wormhole.

Anakin came in literally a second later. According to Lucas he then faked weakness

He faked having no power left after he had his face melted, fundamental difference there.

Not according to Lucas. And according to Ian McDiarmid that was Sidious's real face the entire time and he simply dropped an illusion. Force lightning disfigures....noone else. And it doesn't rot your teeth and turn your eyes Sithy yellow

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Not according to Lucas. And according to Ian McDiarmid that was Sidious's real face the entire time and he simply dropped an illusion. Force lightning disfigures....noone else. And it doesn't rot your teeth and turn your eyes Sithy yellow

No, firstly Ian Mcdiarmid could have been speaking metaphorically or literally, he doesn't say. He says that the face of Sidious is the real face.
Even then, what Ian says does not matter at all.

Oh and Lucas doesn't say either. I've seen that quote myself, I should know.

I've heard the quote on my DVD. "First we always had that after Mace overpowers Sidious, Sidious exaggerates his weakness to Anakin etc etc.

Yeah, exactly. Mace beats Sidious, but Sidious still has some power left, but evidently not enough to contend with Windu.

Which is why Sidious proceeds to blast Windu with far more power than he originally used.

Anyone could figure out that lightning display was all an act

Which is why Lucas has confirmed that Palpatine was beaten by Windu.

Funny lightsnake... In other threads and other posts everything said by Lucas was holy now you are argueing with what he said because it doesn't fit. Make up your mind on Lucas already. Mace beat Sidious, Sidious only faked that he had no power left, thats all.

And back to the topic, you still haven't shown us one reason why Maul would lose from Luke.

Who's arguing he lost IN THE SABER DUEL? Lucas applied to that. "HERE is where MAce overpowers etc etc. Here's where Sidious exaggerates his weakness." Specifically referring to the lightning part....lightning doesn't turn your eyes Sithy yellow.

You guys just have the quote in the wrong place. Sidious was never in danger once the lightning started. Unless you can explain how he exploded with more power he had when the lightning first started

Originally posted by ssj3gohan007
So what? neither did any of the PT jedi before TPM. Obi-wan and Qui-Gon never had to fight sith lords before, ok it was the first time a sith was seen in like a 1000 years. Experience?!? Luke beat Vader who had alot more experience. Experience doesnt always mean automatic victory. alot of factors involved. Worst Case Scenario he pulls an obi-wan on maul and eventually wins. Best Case Scenario he wins like he did with vader.

Originally posted by §noopbert
Double-bladed lightsabers aren't exclusive to the evil side ya know.

No, but very few, if any Jedi used double sabres after the Jedi Civil War, or possibly Russan.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
How many Sith or Jedi could choke two people with a mere gesture? Most need to clench their fist on the target....and in Shadowhunter, all Maul pulls off is a choke. Everything else is acrobatics. YOUNGLINGS can't take on Darth Vader or a horde of Ssi-Ruuk.

And Yoda'd have won if it was open ground....wow, nothing to support that statement.

And Anakin was superior to Obi-wan as a duelist.

Most of them tend to keep their hand clenched on the victim

It's a gesture, you don't need to do it to use the force.

Name one other time someone didn't need to hold their fist on someone to use a choke