Why is KOTOR considered such an incredibly powerful period for the Jedi/Sith?

My issue is, now that KOTOR's out, people worship Revan and Traya as Gods...even if Sidious did feats in DE, it doesn't change the fact he COULD do them and chose not to in Episode 3 by the EU. Vader was also big time strong-like...eighty percent of Sidious, but he gets a lot of crap...mostly because he fought in an era when CGI didn't exist...

KOTOR is a tenuous source, can you prove to me what Revan knew? What he did? What DID the Ancient Sith of old ever do that was so incredible? We have a single statement from a noted liar and manipulator four thousand years BEFORE Maul and Sidious and the like.

So, I ask, why is Revan considered well above people like Anakin, or Palpatine, or Yoda or NJO Luke? There's official sources against him and little backing him

Many people say that, because the Jedi and Sith are at war in the KOTOR period, they are more adept at killing each other and so on and so forth.

I think that's kinda stupid; they should be no more powerful than the next Sith Lord. Traya and Nihilus have absurd powers...for example, Nihilus eats the Force? Is that even possible? And Traya's instakill...overpowered, and just complicates the plot of the KOTOR games so that it doesn't work against certain people and such.

Eh....I don't particularly mind the exagerrated powers...just when they keep using them to place them above and above the other strongest

And constant wars would weaken the Jedi more than anything...

Well, I've certainly never believed any idea that people were more powerful in the olden days in SW.

And yes, KOTOR does suffer from over-powered force syndrome.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I've certainly never believed any idea that people were more powerful in the olden days in SW.

Well, let's be honest Ush; you are kinda biased towards the movies. 😉

What I hate most is Palpatine being downplayed...I can't believe anyone thinks Revan could take him

Don't take it to heart. I've been labeled as a Palpatine fanboy simply for defending him. He has such a low reputation around here, hence why I defend him so much. Yoda is actually my personal favorite character, but everyone likes Yoda here - and holds him in high esteem, where he should be.

And why the hell not? Do you have any idea how idiotic this thread is?

"Vader was also big time strong-like...eighty percent of Sidious, but he gets a lot of crap...mostly because he fought in an era when CGI didn't exist..."

OT Sidious according to a statement released by Lucas who is even worse then Kreia, he makes statements all the time... OT Sidious does not even come close to DE Sidious. Stop using double standards already. DE Sidious was very powerful everybody agrees, but even he wasn't the most powerful ever and his powers that are shown take time to prepare.

Vader has nothing to do with DE Sidious or Sidious for that matter. Because 80% means nothing. He could have 80% of the raw power, but only 10% of the knowledge and the skill or 80% of the raw power and be far more skilled.

You know something Fishy? You're wrong: You don't outweigh the creator's word. And what's the difference between DE and OT Sidio-OH THAT'S RIGHT! There isn't one! DE Sidious is just where he USES his power!

Whereas you have NOTHING Revan ever did to compare. Or Sadow. Or Kun. Go on, show me one thing that compared to masking oneself from the Jedi for decades. Go on.

You know why DE Sidious was more powerful? Because he was in EU. 😛

And none of your post had anything to do with the thread. 👆

I agree. Lightsnake, keep the Sidious campaign thing to this thread. In fact - you should've made a thread entitled as such. There's no need to go around and promote on every thread.

Oops, I meant Fishy's post.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Oops, I meant Fishy's post.

I didn't. But I do think that Lightsnake would give some incredible points if he'd not be so arrogant. He has a lot of promise.

Ah, okay.

I share his views (technically, I had the views beforehand but didn't know how to go about them, or if anyone would care in this ridiculous place...).

Fine....Blind Guardian's had a bad effect on me. I promise to tone it down now

Escape, you have to understand what the board is like from where we're from. It's really vicious at times with many skilled debaters with vast knowledge of the SW universe. Hell, you haven't even met Darthlampe yet, that guy is insane. He'll take a seemingly mundane quote and analyze it till it seems to mean exactly what he needs it to. Oh yeah, since we came from a gaming centered website, we deal with KOTOR fanboys all the time, which is why Light may be a little short with them at times.

Ah, that's neat.

Death to KOTOR fanboys!

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Well, let's be honest Ush; you are kinda biased towards the movies. 😉

What a nonsensical statement!

I don't actually officially represent the movies in any way, so all that can actually be said in this direction is that I like the movies more.

And if we follow that logic as worh mentioning, then we are ALL biased, one way or another. Should then all opinions be so criticised?

If I actually had some vested interest in promoting the movies, then saying I am biased as a reason to discount my opinion might be relevant.

But I don't, and hence my opinion is just as good as anyone else's.

As it is, I dislike in general the concept of power trumping- the lazy device where all you can do dramatically, sometimes, is create something more powerful than before. This isn't actually a problem except when done rapidly, and plenty of franchises (mostly in comic books) have made such errors over time.

But so has the Star Wars EU- from Death Star to Galaxy Gun, from Emperor to Emperor+, from Luke to Super NJO Luke, Star Wars EU is plagued by simple power inflation.

KOTOR has a person who can destroy three powerful Jedi Masters with a thought. Whether I prefer the movies or not, I think a person's judgment would be hghly impaired not to see this is a serious over-powerment issue.

Kreia's attack there does have....debate around it, though. She seems to cut them off from the Force rather than anything else and the shock it kills them.

That said, KOTOR II did have some ego issues.
"Hahaha, Malak? He was a brute and a fool....look at Sion here!"
"You think that Tarisian Crime Lord was bad? He was a PEON to Go-To!"

The reasoning behind her silly attack isn;t the point, it is what it conceptually does.

KOTOR seems to have this desperate necessity to push boundaries on all sides- the most powerful Sith, the most powerful Jedi, the most powerful force ability... I know Star Wars tends to be about hyperbole by default, but some moderation would help the plots very much; KOTOR II tripped over itself all the time trying to be clever. If everything is always the greatest and the best, the concept loses its power.