Why is KOTOR considered such an incredibly powerful period for the Jedi/Sith?

Eh, not all the time, which is why I loved Jerec of Dark Forces...he's a small timer trying to become more powerful.

But I do see your point and agree very much

I did say KOTOR and not all SW computer games. JK just had a bunch of Dark Siders- fair enough. Personality counts far more than sheer power in a good villain. The 'Jedi graveyard of ultimate power' might have been a bit of a cop out but it was thematically SW like.

I don't consider Ruusan a cop out truly, it's one of the most important parts of SW lore.

KOTOR annoys me so much for the constant one upping and Revan, I really dislike Revan now

Well, the whole concept of becoming superpowered by some place you find is a very EU/computer gamey thing that I dislike- Sidious never feels the need to indulge in such cheap stuff.

Besides, the Jedi Graveyard vibe is rather buggered up by the PT; always a risk the EU took.

How did Ruusan get banged up by the PT, exactly? Personally, I blame Veitch and Anderson for the whole thing....one reason why I love Sidious and Tyranus is they don't need flashy light shows to show they're strong...when Sidious HAS to, he will, but he's not flashy...just imagine...

*"Gooooood.....A pooowerful Sith you will become!!!" *Spins around several times, lightning demolishes a building
"From henceforth you will be known as Darth...." *Pauses to leaps around Anakin, blowing up several droids. "VADER!!!!" *Lightning blasts out of every one of Palp's orifices, ripping the senate apart.

Because the graveyard made an assumption that the Jedi ghost trick, and general presence after death for Jedi, was normal.

And the PT hammered that nail down hard- it ain't.

Indeed, but the graveyard of Ruusan wasn't a ghost thing...it was their spirits trapped there by a Sith thought bomb

I can't help thinking we are talking at cross purposes here.

Nevermind. Point still remains- power inflation is an EU problem, and places that superpower people when they go near (witness JK IIs sudden army of force powered sabre users... gah...) are an issue also.

I blame Kyber crystals...

Ever read the Kyle Katarn novellas? Shed light on a lotta issues there

Originally posted by Ushgarak
What a nonsensical statement!

I don't actually officially represent the movies in any way, so all that can actually be said in this direction is that I like the movies more.

And if we follow that logic as worh mentioning, then we are ALL biased, one way or another. Should then all opinions be so criticised?

If I actually had some vested interest in promoting the movies, then saying I am biased as a reason to discount my opinion might be relevant.

But I don't, and hence my opinion is just as good as anyone else's.

As it is, I dislike in general the concept of power trumping- the lazy device where all you can do dramatically, sometimes, is create something more powerful than before. This isn't actually a problem except when done rapidly, and plenty of franchises (mostly in comic books) have made such errors over time.

But so has the Star Wars EU- from Death Star to Galaxy Gun, from Emperor to Emperor+, from Luke to Super NJO Luke, Star Wars EU is plagued by simple power inflation.

KOTOR has a person who can destroy three powerful Jedi Masters with a thought. Whether I prefer the movies or not, I think a person's judgment would be hghly impaired not to see this is a serious over-powerment issue.

I was referring more to your first comment, hence why I only quoted that part. You said you never believed that older SW characters were more powerful; but you can't really argue with fact now can we? The older characters, in general, WERE more powerful than say, the prequel era Jedi/Sith.

I said you were biased because in a decent amount of the threads you post in, (mostly any SW versus), you seem to keep the movie characters in higher regard when comparing them to any EU character.

I do agree with you when you say that they overdo it sometimes, because they do. Some characters ARE ridiculously overpowered, but not all of them.

"I said you were biased because in a decent amount of the threads you post in, (mostly any SW versus), you seem to keep the movie characters in higher regard when comparing them to any EU character."

See, to this, just read my entire post above again. I like the movie characters more. Accusing me of bias on this basis is worthles-s I can just accuse anyone who likes EU characters more of bias in the other direction. Your accusation of bias is only valid if you can say I have a vested interest in it being so, which I don't- again. it's just my opinion.

And what I said is that I have never believed anything that made out that they used to be more powerful- as in, anything that makes out they are... is wrong.

Wait, so you're saying that any EU material which portrays characters (before the PT/OT) as more powerful is wrong?

Well, not literally speaking like that, as if as soon as anyone might be considered more competent than a PT Jedi/Sith then it immdeiately becomes incorrect.

But any EU that propogates the idea that, conceptually, force users used to be more powerful... yes, I believe that is in contradiction of GL and therefore wrong.

After reading this thread , and being an x-box owner I'm left with one question . Is KOTOR worth buying or not ???

And will people stop using so many acronyms ???

Gah! KOTOR is just some Game! It isn't even Canon!

*Awaiting flood of KOTOR Fanboys to come and Eat him...*

Originally posted by Clone-pilot
After reading this thread , and being an x-box owner I'm left with one question . Is KOTOR worth buying or not ???

And will people stop using so many acronyms ???

It's a fair enough game- hardly a waste of money.

Room for improvement though.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I can't help thinking we are talking at cross purposes here.

Nevermind. Point still remains- power inflation is an EU problem, and places that superpower people when they go near (witness JK IIs sudden army of force powered sabre users... gah...) are an issue also.

I blame Kyber crystals...

100% agree.

Originally posted by Clone-pilot
After reading this thread , and being an x-box owner I'm left with one question . Is KOTOR worth buying or not ???

And will people stop using so many acronyms ???

Kotor I was one of the best games I ever played, definately worth your time. Kotor II...meh it had a few good parts.

i know revan is good, but we simply do not know enough about him to give him uber confidence.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Kotor I was one of the best games I ever played, definately worth your time. Kotor II...meh it had a few good parts.

But since I have neither game would you recommend I buy KOTOR II or start with the first , because one thing I usually find is that sequals have at least a few improvements on the original (in games land that is, this rule does not apply to movies ) .