Man-Made Black Holes in 2007.

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

😕 😖 What do you guys think?

Originally posted by Ronny
Lets just all blow up the earth to rid ourselves of our own stupidity 😑 god.

😆 That... my friend, maybe the smartest thing I've hear in this forum yet! 😂

Then Already Mande a WORMHOLE 2 MicroMeters in dimeter. Black holes Seem like the Next Step...

Finally the solution for Disposing of incremenating Evidence.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Creating black holes in a lab would be rather dangerous yes? Science will be the end of us...

no

this is totally safe. really. the only thing is that we might be throwing billions of dollars away on nothing... thats the case with any kind of expensive research though.

ok i cant take all this cynicism and fear. first of all what is going on is very theoretical research. stuff like this happens because we want to find out more about our universe. we want to find out more because we want to improve life and gain knowledge. there is more than enough money out there supporting this and we know this because
a) look at cern
b) look at research in japan like super-kamiokande
c) look at fermi labs
d) look at nasa
they all have money and are expanding (especially cern which is ironically supported by the weakest economies of the nations where those things i listed are located)
theres a lot more research going on about this sort of thing than i think people realize. has anyone heard of LISA? its a space probe, nay 3 space probes that will fly in formation 3 million miles apart from each other to detect gravitational wave disturbances as big as one tenth of one atom and its almost ready. or what about COBE? google that one. anyway the point is we are constantly increasing our ability to search for and create things like black holes (which given the size we would create them at, like the amount of antimatter we produce, is totally harmless in everyway). large black holes are actually fairly harmless until you get really really close (because gravity happens to be one of the weakest forces we know of). when we create a black holes im not sure just what we will find, we do know that it should help us research extra dimensions and other crazy things that happen on the quantum level according to m theory and what have you. the goal of this research however is not to come up with a specific product or tool or answer that we are looking for, its really just to see what nature has to offer us and what else we might look into researching. If we get the answers we predicted then hey! whoopdeedoo thats great! if not? great! more questions!

as for a few of the comments made so far.

inflation: inflation was a time period that is theorized to have happened right at the beginning of the big bang. this was when the universe for a very short time expanded at well over the speed of light which causes today a universe that is fairly uniform throughout. that means it is mostly made up of space that is generally the same temperature (like 2 degrees kelvin or something). the non uniform parts (planets, stars, all matter) were caused by slight temperature fluctuations.

cern: any concern of cern is somewhat acknowledgable because basically no one except quantum physicists have a very clear idea of the research they do there however people also worry about getting radiation poisoning because the live next to a nuclear powerplant (poisoning not caused by an accident like a meltdown which never happens really around the plant). people fear a lot of things and tend to get other people to be afraid of them we call this the media. anyway i dont trust anyone whos insanely scared of what they dont understand.

proof: man we are not going to prove anything about m-theory in a long long time unless we get really really lucky. actually it is said to be unproveable in theory which makes it permanently safe as a theory.

stopping black holes: as itzak said: "5) Watch it Dissolve: The black hole nearly instantaneously disintegrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation" yes thats exactly what happens. to big ones too but it takes much longer.

antimatter: first playing with antimatter, now this?..... yeah but obviously antimatter hasnt destroyed the world yet now has it.

i will garuntee all of you that all of your theoretical research is entirely benevolent. i mean i loved akira as much as anyone but scientists dont act like that. especially not the europeans...

Originally posted by tall_paul
ok i cant take all this cynicism and fear. first of all what is going on is very theoretical research. stuff like this happens because we want to find out more about our universe. we want to find out more because we want to improve life and gain knowledge. there is more than enough money out there supporting this and we know this because
a) look at cern
b) look at research in japan like super-kamiokande
c) look at fermi labs
d) look at nasa
they all have money and are expanding (especially cern which is ironically supported by the weakest economies of the nations where those things i listed are located)
theres a lot more research going on about this sort of thing than i think people realize. has anyone heard of LISA? its a space probe, nay 3 space probes that will fly in formation 3 million miles apart from each other to detect gravitational wave disturbances as big as one tenth of one atom and its almost ready. or what about COBE? google that one. anyway the point is we are constantly increasing our ability to search for and create things like black holes (which given the size we would create them at, like the amount of antimatter we produce, is totally harmless in everyway). large black holes are actually fairly harmless until you get really really close (because gravity happens to be one of the weakest forces we know of). when we create a black holes im not sure just what we will find, we do know that it should help us research extra dimensions and other crazy things that happen on the quantum level according to m theory and what have you. the goal of this research however is not to come up with a specific product or tool or answer that we are looking for, its really just to see what nature has to offer us and what else we might look into researching. If we get the answers we predicted then hey! whoopdeedoo thats great! if not? great! more questions!

as for a few of the comments made so far.

inflation: inflation was a time period that is theorized to have happened right at the beginning of the big bang. this was when the universe for a very short time expanded at well over the speed of light which causes today a universe that is fairly uniform throughout. that means it is mostly made up of space that is generally the same temperature (like 2 degrees kelvin or something). the non uniform parts (planets, stars, all matter) were caused by slight temperature fluctuations.

cern: any concern of cern is somewhat acknowledgable because basically no one except quantum physicists have a very clear idea of the research they do there however people also worry about getting radiation poisoning because the live next to a nuclear powerplant (poisoning not caused by an accident like a meltdown which never happens really around the plant). people fear a lot of things and tend to get other people to be afraid of them we call this the media. anyway i dont trust anyone whos insanely scared of what they dont understand.

proof: man we are not going to prove anything about m-theory in a long long time unless we get really really lucky. actually it is said to be unproveable in theory which makes it permanently safe as a theory.

stopping black holes: as itzak said: "5) Watch it Dissolve: The black hole nearly instantaneously disintegrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation" yes thats exactly what happens. to big ones too but it takes much longer.

antimatter: first playing with antimatter, now this?..... yeah but obviously antimatter hasnt destroyed the world yet now has it.

i will garuntee all of you that all of your theoretical research is entirely benevolent. i mean i loved akira as much as anyone but scientists dont act like that. especially not the europeans...

Good post although most of it is not really relevant to the topic ... First of all major black holes are harmless but potentially very dangerous .... they are nearly undetectable , and they don't 'dissolve' for literally googles of years (By the Hawking process as mentioned b4) .... the Hawking process is questionable as it breaks the fundamental law of the universe (i.e. one cannot create destroy energy or matter) !

I think everyone out in the country should have black holes instead of septic tanks...lol....call that Jacks theory...LMAO

Originally posted by Itzak
Has anybody else heard about his?

"WHAT: A tiny, harmless black hole created in a particle accelerator. Although this black hole would tear the fabric of spacetime, it would be so small that a billion billion of them joined together would equal the mass of a grain of salt."

"WHY: The only way man made black holes could form is if space were made of more than there dimensions--- that is, if there were "hidden" dimensions that went beyond our standard experience of up-down, left-right and front-back . Therefore, if we create black holes, we prove that the universe contains extra dimensions."

"WHO: Some 10,000 scientists from more than 50 countries building and operating a new particle accelerator, a tool for studying the fundamental bits of the universe."

"WHEN: The LHC will be up and running in late 2007. Its very first collisions could produce a detectable black holes."

😕 😖 What do you guys think?

Would be really funny if one of the scientist got sucked into a black hole 😂

it all makes sense now. ive always believed that movement (time) was the 4th dimension. if you completely stop a molecule that molecules time or 4th dimension dissappears until moved or polarity is satisfied, and if something stops existing in time at given point T the resulting effect is an emptyness of where that molecule was at T in spacial cordinates M. this would create a vacuum effect in the space at M from the point T occured. you may say it would still be there but stopped but if any dimension, (width, hight, and length) were to be left out in the real world it creates a vacuum. like when you compress air, the space where you took the air to fill the tank, is now negitive pressure and must be re-filled.

i got it, as long as there is enough matter to fill space where the vacuum is the black hole will dissolve. but if there is such a strong vacuum where it is crushing everything to where there is space between two forms of matter than that space adds to the vacuum, like its sucking in something that isnt there and creating more negitive pressure. but how would one that big be started. i can only submit that a star has burned itself next to another star and the lack of matter being burned although the burning is still taking place creates such a pull that they collide into each other stopping large portions of the elements contained in the stars, destroying thier 4th dimension creating a black hole

i doubt the blackhole would be large enough to have a noticable affect on human, itd probably just exist at a subatomic level.

Originally posted by terd40
it all makes sense now. ive always believed that movement (time) was the 4th dimension. if you completely stop a molecule that molecules time or 4th dimension dissappears until moved or polarity is satisfied, and if something stops existing in time at given point T the resulting effect is an emptyness of where that molecule was at T in spacial cordinates M. this would create a vacuum effect in the space at M from the point T occured. you may say it would still be there but stopped but if any dimension, (width, hight, and length) were to be left out in the real world it creates a vacuum. like when you compress air, the space where you took the air to fill the tank, is now negitive pressure and must be re-filled.

i got it, as long as there is enough matter to fill space where the vacuum is the black hole will dissolve. but if there is such a strong vacuum where it is crushing everything to where there is space between two forms of matter than that space adds to the vacuum, like its sucking in something that isnt there and creating more negitive pressure. but how would one that big be started. i can only submit that a star has burned itself next to another star and the lack of matter being burned although the burning is still taking place creates such a pull that they collide into each other stopping large portions of the elements contained in the stars, destroying thier 4th dimension creating a black hole

✅ Well said.

Ah yes. Popular Science is an amazing magazine, isn't it? If anyone would like to actually read the full article, go to your library and get the January edition of Popular Science. At least, I think it was January...

thanks itzak

you guys know what really scares me...those nasa fellas gettin the idea its good to develop an engine that can run on the oxygen in the atmosphere and no other gas. good idea you say? bah! what the hell are our grandchildren going to breath after global climate reversal kills the majority of the plants? lets just burn everything we get a hold on. well if we all pass left it might just be okay.

For those of you out there, who think this can't be done, or we have not progressed this far yet, just think how far we have come in a 100 years, from candles and torches, to light bulbs, from horse and wagon, to cars and motor cycles, from mailed letters and telegraphs, to phones.

We have leapt ahead of ourselves probably 50 years, we wared for the first 45 years of last century, which spurred our sciences, and we had propeller engine planes and moved to jet engines in a matter of 20 years. Science is a great tool, and somehow we have moved past our industrial faze and into pre-steller era, to say this man mad black hole is far fetched is inaccurate. and science has even proven that there is a hyperspace, which would allow for instant space travel from one point to another.

Now the part that is true is, we are not ready for all of this, that is why I beleive it will take us the better part of this century to acheive creating a black hole, and when we finally do, expect us to have leapt ahead another 100 years.

I once dug a hole in my backyard, and it looked black inside.
Seriously, I read about the scientest working on their hole too,
I guess it's still in theroy though, these things do take time.
There is also the theroy that our universe was born out of a black hole.
I guess that would mean we have a mother unervise much larger than our own, tht would be something.

the energy requirements would indeed be vast but having access to that technology many fun things can happen, as things approach the speed of light they do become more dense, the amount of energy require could come from a created universe and then it's ever expanding could be harvested, kinda stolen from sg1's zpm, but the idea would in theory work, and how can we fold space time? either something really heavy or alot of energy converted into matter at near one point

I've done a LOT of research on this, and I've concluded that the Black Holes would be so miniscule that they might possibly suck in one or two atoms, but they would fuse out too quickly to become self-sustaining. This is research that we scientists have under control, and in case you were wondering, I am working as Assistant Manager of the entire project, informing others that there is nothing to worry about. You can feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] if you have any questions about the research.

Originally posted by Itzak
😆 That... my friend, maybe the smartest thing I've hear in this forum yet! 😂

Let's not, and say we did.

This reminds me of a Tom Swift book I read awile back. Tom tries to create a mini back hole in his lab... except he looses control and gets sucked in and then when he finally reaches the other side he finds that he's in alternate universe where he is the world's most wanted criminal. Oh and his evil twin is back in his own universe recking evil havok...

let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor........

I'm sorry.......that just reminded me of "The One"........