Originally posted by KingD19
Colossus didn't get knocked out. He got knocked down, then he got knocked away after he got up almost immediately. He was getting up when Rogue took his powers.And Colossus is one of the speediest pure bricks in Marvel. Always has been. He's taken guys like Deadpool and Wolverine by surprise with his speed. I know they've been trying to make Thor look good, but that was poor form to do away with one of the most clearly established parts of Colossus' power set just so Thor could get a witty line in. And quite clearly would have made the fight better. But apparently they couldn't afford the extra page or something.
Maybe, possibly. Or most likely, he was just knocked out in an akward position, he was just laying there with his hand propped up or something. Rogue doesn't automatically even drain people apparently.
What's the problem? Colossus has been portrayed as fast but so has Thor, if they want Thor to dance circles around Colossus it's hardly a huge revelation, he isn't Gladiator.
Originally posted by KingD19
And while I have no doubt Thor would have won, I expected to see a better fight from the guy who routinely used to fight the guy who beat Thor pretty badly every time they fought in Juggernaut. Not a cheap two piece special because Thor's getting a push.
Lol?
I know you're upset but are we going to just ignore any common sense or logic?
Thor and Juggernaut have fought three times. Ignoring the ones where Thor was weakened and Juggernaut was incredibly amped, irrelevant to a Colossus comparison.
The second fight? Thor beat the absolute shit out of Juggernaut with his fists once the force field was gone, the same guy who routinely bullies Colossus. How does that mean Peter should have done any better?
Colossus is just lucky Thor wasn't enraged or something or he'd be lopping off limbs.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe, possibly. Or most likely, he was just knocked out in an akward position, he was just laying there with his hand propped up or something. Rogue doesn't automatically even drain people apparently.What's the problem? Colossus has been portrayed as fast but so has Thor, if they want Thor to dance circles around Colossus it's hardly a huge revelation, he isn't Gladiator.
Knocked out in an awkard position? He lands on his back, seperating Domino and Rogue. In the very next panel he's clearly getting up as you can see his shoulders/back and the back of his head as well as his arm in a position to push himself back up. Rogue took his powers. Whether she drained him or not is up to debate as even when she did auto drain people, her powers varied on him in his metal form. He kissed her once and nothing happened, yet another time she tapped him when fighting Nimrod and absorbed him no problem. But she did take his powers and he isn't seen fighting anymore. Doesn't mean he's knocked out, as he's clearly getting up.
And Colossus has been portrayed as fast a lot more consistently than Thor, who mainly just swings his hammer at people. For him to suddenly go, "Yeah, you're slow" to one of the fastest Earth bound bricks in Marvel when he doesn't showcase a lot of speed on his own just doesn't sit right. Doesn't matter how much you like Thor and apparently dislike Colossus.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLol?
I know you're upset but are we going to just ignore any common sense or logic?
Thor and Juggernaut have fought three times. Ignoring the ones where Thor was weakened and Juggernaut was incredibly amped, irrelevant to a Colossus comparison.
The second fight? Thor beat the absolute shit out of Juggernaut with his fists once the force field was gone, the same guy who routinely bullies Colossus. How does that mean Peter should have done any better?
Colossus is just lucky Thor wasn't enraged or something or he'd be lopping off limbs.
I'm not upset he lost the fight. I never expected him to win the fight. I'm upset at how it was portrayed, because imo it was portrayed poorly. It wasn't even a fight. It was them saying, "Thor is awesome with this push we're giving him".
And lol at Thor being weakened. As for that fight with the forcefield, that writer was under the assumption that without his forcefield, Cain has absolutely no durability whatsoever, when that's clearly not true as evidenced by all the other times he gets in fights after his force field is gone and is just fine. Especially in recent years when he clearly doesn't have his forcefield, yet fought with people like King Hyperion, Celestial Hulk, the other Exemplars, Thor(during the Exemplar arc where he wasn't amped), World War Hulk, Skaar, etc.. all without his forcefield.
Originally posted by KingD19
Knocked out in an awkard position? He lands on his back, seperating Domino and Rogue. In the very next panel he's clearly getting up as you can see his shoulders/back and the back of his head as well as his arm in a position to push himself back up. Rogue took his powers. Whether she drained him or not is up to debate as even when she did auto drain people, her powers varied on him in his metal form. He kissed her once and nothing happened, yet another time she tapped him when fighting Nimrod and absorbed him no problem. But she did take his powers and he isn't seen fighting anymore. Doesn't mean he's knocked out, as he's clearly getting up.And Colossus has been portrayed as fast a lot more consistently than Thor, who mainly just swings his hammer at people. For him to suddenly go, "Yeah, you're slow" to one of the fastest Earth bound bricks in Marvel when he doesn't showcase a lot of speed on his own just doesn't sit right. Doesn't matter how much you like Thor and apparently dislike Colossus.
Maybe, or maybe he hit and rolled on his chest. Maybe the art is just akward (This artist has problems with perspective). The implication of that entire scene seems to suggest the fight was over and Colossus was overmatched so that's what I'm going with. Like I said, Rogue doesn't drain people dry anymore as I understand it, so it's not like she would prevent Colossus from getting back up.
No, Colossus has relied and depended on his speed a lot more then Thor. The Odinson's lack of speed is at times a convenient weakness but as we see here, he can be plenty fast. I'd barrage you with scans/feats, but this is the Colossus respect thread.
Originally posted by KingD19
I'm not upset he lost the fight. I never expected him to win the fight. I'm upset at how it was portrayed, because imo it was portrayed poorly. It wasn't even a fight. It was them saying, "Thor is awesome with this push we're giving him".And lol at Thor being weakened. As for that fight with the forcefield, that writer was under the assumption that without his forcefield, Cain has absolutely no durability whatsoever, when that's clearly not true as evidenced by all the other times he gets in fights after his force field is gone and is just fine. Especially in recent years when he clearly doesn't have his forcefield, yet fought with people like King Hyperion, Celestial Hulk, the other Exemplars, Thor(during the Exemplar arc where he wasn't amped), World War Hulk, Skaar, etc.. all without his forcefield.
Okay then. Also, how is Thor getting a push? Because he beat up Colossus? Lol.
Why are you laughing? Do you want me to post the scans? No, that's not true at all. His Cain was just as durable as ever without his force field (He even describes how he is resistant to every form of physical damage after it's removed), but with it, he's completely invulnerable. Thor beat the shit out of him straight up, this does not favor Colossus in anyway if we use Juggernaut as a comparison.
Yes, and as we saw, he while durable isn't immune to physical damage as he is with his force field.
Juggernaut was amped when he fought Thor, it was an amp that happened off panel and was never seen again but that was the case in that issue. It is very clearly spelled out. I'm at work now but when I get home I'll post scans if you still want to deny it.
Maybe we should get the writer to confirm. He seems to just stay down in that same position the entire fight:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16069935/Cable_and_X-Force_010-019.jpg.html
It looks like he landed on his back and maybe turned as he rolled? I don't know, the art isn't very good. It's reasonable to assume he was just significantly stunned/hurt instead of knocked out so he just lay there.
Depends on the comic. I've seen a knock out reveret him to human form and vise versa. Same goes for the Hulk although due to the sheer volume of increased appearances, it's more consistent.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI can't say I've ever seen Colossus written as a lumbering oaf. The dude has impressed the likes of Deadpool, Wolverine, and Psylocke with his speed.
That's all there is to the fight. I guess Thor did knock out Colossus, he just seemed to pass out in an awkward position.
Thor being written as a slow dullard that Colossus has a speed advantage over was literally his only hope and that was taken away. I'm glad that Thor didn't job though, that's how a fight between them should go.
Originally posted by juggernaut74Yeah but you gotta think of who he was fighting. Thor who's been fighting before Peter Rasputin was raking the farm that and he has higher strength feats and nicer hair.
I can't say I've ever seen Colossus written as a lumbering oaf. The dude has impressed the likes of Deadpool, Wolverine, and Psylocke with his speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How was beating up Colossus a boost for Thor? Hulk yes, but Colossus? Christ, he did way worse to Thing when he cut loose.
I think some folks are just upset that he went down immediately. Granted, there could be a future fight later on when they are actually prepared and Colossus shines better, but I think what happened wasn't that crazy. Thor is going to win in any fight against Colossus every single time. Unless Colossus gets an amp somehow.
Also, I don't think he was knocked out or even really stunned. Cable stunned them immediately after he left. I don't think he's going to be driving a car if he's in that bad of shape. Forge and Nemesis leave together, Domino and Boom Boom leave together and Piotr is on his own.
Either way, I'd like to see a rematch where they actually finish a fight instead of running away.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with everything rage is saying "except" Thor being weakened when he faced Juggernaut. Halfway through the fight, Thor being weakened disappeared a long time ago. Juggernaut was just too much.
Thor was suffering seizures very frequently during the fight with Juggernaut which greatly weakened him:
He eventually was able to recover somewhat when they stopped:
But there were serious after-effects that left him greatly weakened:
Congratulations to Juggernaut, he beat Thor while he was suffering from Godly epilepsy.
Did you think I'd make a claim I wouldn't be able to support with concrete on-panel evidence? What, do you think I'm some kind of Superman fanboy? 🙂
