Originally posted by snoopdogghow tough were those armored clowns? how tough is vanadanium? I thought his mini series lacked action, and his rage issues were unresolved. I did love him beating up on sinister though....
Colossus took out two of Magnums robots called Mandroids with speed and agility to dodge the lazers.The battle was short and sweet.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandMandroids.jpg
I had King scan this for me.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiWell if your expecting action don't pick it up. But the story line made up for it. Sinister and Mikhail were involved and it left it open at the end for a future story arc.
Was the mini good? I still haven't decided whether to pick up the trade or not. Would you recommend it?
The orgins for Colossus' rage was explained. It something in his "Bloodline".
Originally posted by snoopdoggStory is better than action anyday. And i always enjoy seeing Sinister. I'll have to pick it up when the trades released.
Well if your expecting action don't pick it up. But the story line made up for it. Sinister and Mikhail were involved and it left it open at the end for a future story arc.The orgins for Colossus' rage was explained. It something in his "Bloodline".
Originally posted by nwg202He had a one-shot in 1997 and in 94' he had a graphic novel called "Gods Country".
yeah i know, but i found his connection with the mad monk a bit forced, i thought it gave more panel time to his brother and sinister ...a decent mini though...i was hoping for a mini were he could hulk out and go against heavyhitters. is this his only mini snoop?
In April in X-men Unlimited #14 it is supposed to be a Colossus solo issue.
what's been fabricated in this respect thread? lemme go through, page by page.
page 1: colossus would never be able to kill sinister through brute force alone. sinister's survived being liquified, disemboweled and beheaded. that was just made up to bolster pete's image.
page 2: "eating" grenades? i can't tell if you're trying to be serious or just making up slang. but he didn't eat them.
pages three and four were fine, so far as i can tell.
page 5: "i will make him apologize... ...directly i have beaten him." how you completely missed the first half of that quote, and interpreted as colossus talking about beating ben, i don't know. given his manner of speaking at the time, such as saying "how are you called, please?" when asking blockbuster's name, and ben saying "you an' who else, buster?" it's pretty obvious he means he'll make ben apologize directly AFTER he beats him. that's not difficult to put together.
page 7: do you even know what comic that "hundreds of tons, shaking off mortar shells" is from? whichever it is, it's from one where kurt's got four fingers and no tail, and is pretty much immaterial to 616 canon. i'm guessing it doesn't qualify for ultimates either. i don't see what your point was about colossus' speed either, considering all he did was wrap his arms around wolverine.
page 9: metal is not porous, meaning it doesn't weigh any great amount more when wet than when dry. consider now that the jet is actually filled with air, reducing its weight underwater, while the "weight of the displaced water" counts for absolutely nil in the equation. [even if the jet were filled with water, as you say on page 13, the cavern of the jet could not hold 15 tons of water.]
also, the danger room's internal defense grid wouldn't be nearly enough to stop gladiator. i know that was just a guess, but it was off-base.
then there's all the speculation around alpha flight v. x-men, and the deflection of cyke's optic blast off colossus from 11 through 14. none of which really played to your favor.
page fourteen also had the "colossus has superspeed" idea, which i refuted on fifteen. page fifteen also has colossus unharmed by a weapon that fells him a few issues later. and, the claim that "colossus isn't afraid to cross that line" is, coincidentally, proven otherwise in the same arc as the "primate/void/mikhail" issues.
and, page seventeen has wolverine taking the blast "aimed at colossus," whereas colossus seems to be missed altogether by the blast. that argument seemed rather "conjured," as well.
my point is, exaggeration and misrepresentation have occured within this thread. and while i agree with the vast majority of the feats, and with the idea of respecting colossus for his feats, i disagree with the misrepresentation. were i "trolling" as you seem to imply, i'd be against colossus altogether and simply trying to grind the thread to a halt. i'm merely trying to keep it accurate and objective.
Originally posted by DisappearHis brother told him to kill Sinister in issue #5. Guess what? WITH HIS BARE HANDS! But Colossus chose not too. Figure that out.page 1: colossus would never be able to kill sinister through brute force alone. sinister's survived being liquified, disemboweled and beheaded. that was just made up to bolster pete's image.
Originally posted by DisappearI was using slang. I though it was obvious but guess not.
page 2: "eating" grenades? i can't tell if you're trying to be serious or just making up slang. but he didn't eat them.
Originally posted by DisappearActually they went two out of three and Colossus did beat him. That scan was from their third match. So Colossus did beat him once.page 5: "i will make him apologize... ...directly i have beaten him." how you completely missed the first half of that quote, and interpreted as colossus talking about beating ben, i don't know. given his manner of speaking at the time, such as saying "how are you called, please?" when asking blockbuster's name, and ben saying "you an' who else, buster?" it's pretty obvious he means he'll make ben apologize directly AFTER he beats him. that's not difficult to put together.
Originally posted by DisappearIt was from a X-men comic. 100's I think. In 616 continuity. What is your point on this? You saying Colossus cannot lift over 100 tons? I though you were all for a Colossus respect thread.page 7: do you even know what comic that "hundreds of tons, shaking off mortar shells" is from? whichever it is, it's from one where kurt's got four fingers and no tail, and is pretty much immaterial to 616 canon. i'm guessing it doesn't qualify for ultimates either. i don't see what your point was about colossus' speed either, considering all he did was wrap his arms around wolverine.
Originally posted by DisappearWater is heavy. The X-jet wa soaked in water as the scan says. How much does one gallon of water weigh? How many gallons do you think were in it?
page 9: metal is not porous, meaning it doesn't weigh any great amount more when wet than when dry. consider now that the jet is actually filled with air, reducing its weight underwater, while the "weight of the displaced water" counts for absolutely nil in the equation. [even if the jet were filled with water, as you say on page 13, the cavern of the jet could not hold 15 tons of water.]
Originally posted by DisappearThe point I was trying to get across was that he is faster than people think. I didn't say he was Quicksilver or anything now did I? Obviously you missed it.page fourteen also had the "colossus has superspeed" idea, which i refuted on fifteen. page fifteen also has colossus unharmed by a weapon that fells him a few issues later.
and, the claim that "colossus isn't afraid to cross that line" is, coincidentally, proven otherwise in the same arc as the "primate/void/mikhail" issues.
Originally posted by DisappearThe f*cking guy had his hand aim right at Colossus! Is it that hard to see?and, page seventeen has wolverine taking the blast "aimed at colossus," whereas colossus seems to be missed altogether by the blast. that argument seemed rather "conjured," as well.
Originally posted by DisappearI just think your a tiodi. I could be wrong though.
my point is, exaggeration and misrepresentation have occured within this thread. and while i agree with the vast majority of the feats, and with the idea of respecting colossus for his feats, i disagree with the misrepresentation. were i "trolling" as you seem to imply, i'd be against colossus altogether and simply trying to grind the thread to a halt. i'm merely trying to keep it accurate and objective.
lets do the math, then. see if i'm really a "tiodi." water has a density of one gram per milliliter. thus, one kilogram per liter. there are 2.2 pounds per kilogram, roughly.
fifteen tons is 30,000 pounds. that's 13636.36(repeating) kilograms, thus the same number of liters. we'll be generous, saying the average person displaces about 50 liters of water. the average x-man, probably a little less, especially the women. if you think the inside of the blackbird has the volume to crowd 272+ people into it, thus making the volume enough to hold 15 tons of water, you're crazy.
i do not doubt, in the least, that colossus can heft 100 or more tons. i highly doubt colossus can heft "hundreds of tons while shaking off mortar shells." i doubt it even further coming from a source where nightcrawler is tailless and has four fingers, even with an image inducer.
the ****in' hand can be aimed at colossus all it wants to be, friend, wolverine is still in the way. if you had a colored scan, not one from a volume of essential x-men, we could more accurately tell where the energy was going after passing wolverine. there's no evidence from that scan that colossus is being hit at all.
speed and reflexes are altogether different, buddy. even the blob could catch someone in a bearhug, as he did with maverick. colossus is faster than most people while armored, yes. does it warrant calling a simple act a true "feat"? no.
mikhail should know better than most that colossus couldn't kill sinister with his bare hands. this is the guy who turns people into trees, who de-armored colossus, and who overrode jean's telekinesis to use against the x-men. if he doesn't have a practical idea of how truly useless brute strength is, particularly against sinister, by this point, he must be crazy. oh wait...
and if you're trying to say that colossus said the equivalent of "i'll get him to apologize, i've beaten him as many times as he's beaten me," rather than "i'll get him to apologize directly after i beat him," you must be off your rocker.
you're doing a good job with the thread, you just need to stop being unrealistic with some of these feats. trying to argue away these points you've made isn't going to change the fact that you made them, erroneously at that. sorry.
cyclops SEEMINGLY did it, though sinister's "weakness" to his blasts proved to be superficial. regenerating from a puddle seems to imply, at least to me, that a hefty beating from even a powerhouse like colossus isn't going to do much to "end" sinister.
and didn't domina only do it in 'the end,' which turned out to not be true, and is non-canon on top of that?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerWell the Marvel Encyclopedia has Sinister listed at a 6 in durabilty.
Actually, Sinister can be killed. Cyclops did it. Domina did it. Wolverine has probably did it, because he is Wolverine. Sinister has been killed 16 times altogether. But he resurrects. Sinister does not have massive durability.
Dead dosn't mean dead in comic land anyways I guess.
