That's not a sixth sense. That's attributed to the fact that Ryu is a calculating SOB who pwns people being one move ahead of them. I was thinking on more like sensing the opponents prescence or extra sensory feel to danger.
And yes, spidey lifted a train (on the respek thread even), supported the daily bugle building during revelations(gg's return), lifted something that weigh about 50 to 100 tons in the master planner arc, etc.
Originally posted by Hoshi
ryu has the sixth sense you talked about too.
About spider...I think that even if that is true , marvel screwed up a little over there , I saw spider man get outclassed in strengh by kingspin , a normal human that has big muscles .
It's called PIS, just like Dr. Octopus not dying when a peeved off spider-man hit him square in the face in the movie and in comics(considering he doesn't have any explanation for having super durability).
And i like what i said about the sixth sense or what i thought he had
1) i said it was never mentioned in any canon material even SFE
2)
I was thinking on more like sensing the opponents prescence or extra sensory feel to danger
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
It's called PIS, just like Dr. Octopus not dying when a peeved off spider-man hit him square in the face in the movie and in comics(considering he doesn't have any explanation for having super durability).And i like what i said about the sixth sense or what i thought he had
1) i said it was never mentioned in any canon material even SFE
2)
That's not PIS. Spider-man pulls his punches when fighting enemies without super powers and super durability. Like Ock or Kingpin. He can kill Ock with one punch easilly but he is just too soft to kill somebody.
He pulls punches. It has been mentioned in comics many times.
Originally posted by samishe
That's not PIS. Spider-man pulls his punches when fighting enemies without super powers and super durability. Like Ock or Kingpin. He can kill Ock with one punch easilly but he is just too soft to kill somebody.He pulls punches. It has been mentioned in comics many times.
Trust me man, there were several times Spider-man aimed to punch the hell out of him and Octavious remained conscious with almost no ill-effect. The only comic where i see Ock receiving his fair due was his first appearance and the one from Spectacular v.2 when he killed some guards.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Trust me man, there were several times Spider-man aimed to punch the hell out of him and Octavious remained conscious with almost no ill-effect. The only comic where i see Ock receiving his fair due was his first appearance and the one from Spectacular v.2 when he killed some guards.
Man, Spider-man NEVER hits average humen with his full strength. I've been folowwing Spider comix long enough to know it for sure. If you don't trust me i can make a lot of scans that show how spider-man being carefull when hitting his opponents even if he is in deadly danger situation.
Believe me Spider-man never hit Ock with his full strength not in comix and not in the movie.
Originally posted by samishe
Man, Spider-man NEVER hits average humen with his full strength. I've been folowwing Spider comix long enough to know it for sure. If you don't trust me i can make a lot of scans that show how spider-man being carefull when hitting his opponents even if he is in deadly danger situation.
Believe me Spider-man never hit Ock with his full strength not in comix and not in the movie.
uhmm..no. I've been collecting spidey ever since, i even have comics going back from the 80's and i have yet to see Doc get his ass manhandled (except for spectacular) against him with a ticked off spidey who doesn't hold back. Exactly how long have you been following his comics? Anyone would tell you it's bull. It's true he holds back at almost all times but Doc is one of the few rogues aside from Norman and other SOB's that ticks him off. He's punches against him are always aimed at KO, even granted he was holding back, Doc shouldn't be able to get up after those punches.
But if you think i'm the only one who thinks that way, go and ask other people who collected spider-man and they'll tell you it's bs
*Sigh* you just don't get it do you. I didn't discount the fact that spider-man does pull his punches
My point is that not every of his punches on all of his appearances were pulled. That's the PIS part when Dr. Octopus and other people who doesn't have durability either get to live or not be ko'ed and not somethin we already know. There are many examples --so? everyone knows that. Punisher would've been dead for now and not just knocked out if that wasn't such a common knowledge.
Take that scan you've posted as an examples(which btw, was from the Spider-man respek thread). peter holds his punches from that issue, yet almost all his punches after Norman's return were not pulled. Not that it hold really anything in this match considering it's friggin Harry Osborn, aka his former best friend. I don't see why it's not predictable he would hold back.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
*Sigh* you just don't get it do you. I didn't discount the fact that spider-man does pull his punchesMy point is that not every of his punches on all of his appearances were pulled. That's the PIS part when Dr. Octopus and other people who doesn't have durability either get to live or not be ko'ed and not somethin we already know. There are many examples --so? everyone knows that. Punisher would've been dead for now and not just knocked out if that wasn't such a common knowledge.
Take that scan you've posted as an examples(which btw, was from the Spider-man respek thread). peter holds his punches from that issue, yet almost all his punches after Norman's return were not pulled. Not that it hold really anything in this match considering it's friggin Harry Osborn, aka his former best friend. I don't see why it's not predictable he would hold back.
It seems to me that you don't understand what are you talking about.
You just said that when Ock gets hit by spider-man it is PIS "...considering he doesn't have any explanation for having super durability...".
I'm trying to explain that Spider-man always holds back when fighting normal humen and writers explained that many times in comics. "Everyone knows that"? Then what are you argueing about?
You admit Spider holds back but you still call fightings with Ock PIS. I don't get you.
And by the way. Everyone already knows that last scan was from Spider-man respect thread so don't try to look smart.
I guess we have it down that spiderman and ryu have fairly equal opportunity of hitting each other. So it all comes down to whether Ryu can hit hard enough to kill spidey in one blow. Spidey survived a hit from the Hulk and the Hulk is stronger than Ryu. Does that mean a punch from Ryu (one that has split a mountain) will not kill spidey? Not at all.
Originally posted by samishe
Right. But lets take physical strength aspect. There are characters in marvel universe who are stronger than Ryu and they can't break adamantium. So i guess if Ryu tried to do it than he wouldn't manage.
And adamantium is not just hardest metal, it's considered UNbreakable.
Hulk was the only one who could've break it due to his limitless strength.
Your assumption is flawed in saying that strength makes a more effective punch. Strength does make a punch stronger but there is more to it. As C-Master was saying before there are certain aspects of physics to take into account.
The same amount of force on a smaller surface makes for a much greater impact. For example, if I slam against the wall in attempt to break it, I would not simply run towards it with my whole body hitting the wall all at once (just running not bracing for impact). Instead, I would probably run towards it with my elbow out in front of me to put pressure on a small area. This would at least make a hole in the wall.
Ryu (with his smaller fists) will make a hole in spiderman, the Hulk won't.
Also, the amount of time a force is applied over is important. This is called impulse. Impulse is found by dividing force by time. For example, if I was to put my hand against a window and then slowly apply all of my weight on the window it probably wouldn't break. On the contrary, If I slammed my hand against a window with all my weight the window should break. Ryu has better technique than the Hulk. He can put more of his strength into a much faster hit. If hulk hit spiderman the punch would connect for around a second and afterward send spiderman flying. Ryu, on the other hand will land one decisive blow to spiderman, applying all his strength in less than a fraction of a second. A punch from hulk produces a knock back effect making it much weaker.
In conclusion, while Hulk can exert more force than Ryu, Ryu can still hit better. Punching is more than just throwing your fist with all your might. There is a huge amount of technique involved. Ryu has trained with the martial art known as Ansatsuken for much of his life. It incorporates aspects of karate, taikwondo, judo, and koppo. He knows how to hit and where to hit in order to make a fatal blow.
Originally posted by Shin_Gouken
I guess we have it down that spiderman and ryu have fairly equal opportunity of hitting each other. So it all comes down to whether Ryu can hit hard enough to kill spidey in one blow. Spidey survived a hit from the Hulk and the Hulk is stronger than Ryu. Does that mean a punch from Ryu (one that has split a mountain) will not kill spidey? Not at all.Your assumption is flawed in saying that strength makes a more effective punch. Strength does make a punch stronger but there is more to it. As C-Master was saying before there are certain aspects of physics to take into account.
The same amount of force on a smaller surface makes for a much greater impact. For example, if I slam against the wall in attempt to break it, I would not simply run towards it with my whole body hitting the wall all at once (just running not bracing for impact). Instead, I would probably run towards it with my elbow out in front of me to put pressure on a small area. This would at least make a hole in the wall.
Ryu (with his smaller fists) will make a hole in spiderman, the Hulk won't.Also, the amount of time a force is applied over is important. This is called impulse. Impulse is found by dividing force by time. For example, if I was to put my hand against a window and then slowly apply all of my weight on the window it probably wouldn't break. On the contrary, If I slammed my hand against a window with all my weight the window should break. Ryu has better technique than the Hulk. He can put more of his strength into a much faster hit. If hulk hit spiderman the punch would connect for around a second and afterward send spiderman flying. Ryu, on the other hand will land one decisive blow to spiderman, applying all his strength in less than a fraction of a second. A punch from hulk produces a knock back effect making it much weaker.
In conclusion, while Hulk can exert more force than Ryu, Ryu can still hit better. Punching is more than just throwing your fist with all your might. There is a huge amount of technique involved. Ryu has trained with the martial art known as Ansatsuken for much of his life. It incorporates aspects of karate, taikwondo, judo, and koppo. He knows how to
hit and where to hit in order to make a fatal blow.
thank you!
but in fact ansatsuken has pieces of all kind of fighting styles since it was the first one to be created in sf storyline , taekwondo and koppo are newer than ansatsuken.
Originally posted by samishe
It seems to me that you don't understand what are you talking about.You just said that when Ock gets hit by spider-man it is PIS "...considering he doesn't have any explanation for having super durability...".
I'm trying to explain that Spider-man always holds back when fighting normal humen and writers explained that many times in comics. "Everyone knows that"? Then what are you argueing about?You admit Spider holds back but you still call fightings with Ock PIS. I don't get you.
And by the way. Everyone already knows that last scan was from Spider-man respect thread so don't try to look smart.
🙄 whatever dude. Please refer to the rules and definitions in the future though.
and i'm not being a smart ass because i claimed it was from the spider-man respek thread. Not everyone knows it came from there. I'm simply implying that i already seen scans from that thread to let you know i'm not oblivious to them.