Ryu vs.Spider-man vs.Wolverine

Originally posted by Shin_Gouken
I guess we have it down that spiderman and ryu have fairly equal opportunity of hitting each other. So it all comes down to whether Ryu can hit hard enough to kill spidey in one blow. Spidey survived a hit from the Hulk and the Hulk is stronger than Ryu. Does that mean a punch from Ryu (one that has split a mountain) will not kill spidey? Not at all.

Your assumption is flawed in saying that strength makes a more effective punch. Strength does make a punch stronger but there is more to it. As C-Master was saying before there are certain aspects of physics to take into account.

The same amount of force on a smaller surface makes for a much greater impact. For example, if I slam against the wall in attempt to break it, I would not simply run towards it with my whole body hitting the wall all at once (just running not bracing for impact). Instead, I would probably run towards it with my elbow out in front of me to put pressure on a small area. This would at least make a hole in the wall.
Ryu (with his smaller fists) will make a hole in spiderman, the Hulk won't.

Also, the amount of time a force is applied over is important. This is called impulse. Impulse is found by dividing force by time. For example, if I was to put my hand against a window and then slowly apply all of my weight on the window it probably wouldn't break. On the contrary, If I slammed my hand against a window with all my weight the window should break. Ryu has better technique than the Hulk. He can put more of his strength into a much faster hit. If hulk hit spiderman the punch would connect for around a second and afterward send spiderman flying. Ryu, on the other hand will land one decisive blow to spiderman, applying all his strength in less than a fraction of a second. A punch from hulk produces a knock back effect making it much weaker.

In conclusion, while Hulk can exert more force than Ryu, Ryu can still hit better. Punching is more than just throwing your fist with all your might. There is a huge amount of technique involved. Ryu has trained with the martial art known as Ansatsuken for much of his life. It incorporates aspects of karate, taikwondo, judo, and koppo. He knows how to hit and where to hit in order to make a fatal blow.

Are you saying that everyone Ryu fought in comix and anime has mountain-like durability?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
🙄 whatever dude. Please refer to the rules and definitions in the future though.

Why are you guys pointing me at the rules? I read them same day as i registered. Is there something I said wrong? 😕

Well Bison in SFA 3 had enough power to nuke tokyo and the only way he was defeated has due to some plot device. he' was also durable enough to survive a mini nuke with only part of his clothes burt off.

Originally posted by Shin_Gouken
I guess we have it down that spiderman and ryu have fairly equal opportunity of hitting each other. So it all comes down to whether Ryu can hit hard enough to kill spidey in one blow. Spidey survived a hit from the Hulk and the Hulk is stronger than Ryu. Does that mean a punch from Ryu (one that has split a mountain) will not kill spidey? Not at all.

Your assumption is flawed in saying that strength makes a more effective punch. Strength does make a punch stronger but there is more to it. As C-Master was saying before there are certain aspects of physics to take into account.

The same amount of force on a smaller surface makes for a much greater impact. For example, if I slam against the wall in attempt to break it, I would not simply run towards it with my whole body hitting the wall all at once (just running not bracing for impact). Instead, I would probably run towards it with my elbow out in front of me to put pressure on a small area. This would at least make a hole in the wall.
Ryu (with his smaller fists) will make a hole in spiderman, the Hulk won't.

Also, the amount of time a force is applied over is important. This is called impulse. Impulse is found by dividing force by time. For example, if I was to put my hand against a window and then slowly apply all of my weight on the window it probably wouldn't break. On the contrary, If I slammed my hand against a window with all my weight the window should break. Ryu has better technique than the Hulk. He can put more of his strength into a much faster hit. If hulk hit spiderman the punch would connect for around a second and afterward send spiderman flying. Ryu, on the other hand will land one decisive blow to spiderman, applying all his strength in less than a fraction of a second. A punch from hulk produces a knock back effect making it much weaker.

In conclusion, while Hulk can exert more force than Ryu, Ryu can still hit better. Punching is more than just throwing your fist with all your might. There is a huge amount of technique involved. Ryu has trained with the martial art known as Ansatsuken for much of his life. It incorporates aspects of karate, taikwondo, judo, and koppo. He knows how to hit and where to hit in order to make a fatal blow.

When did ryu split a moutain?

In alpha....

Which alpha show me the pic.

Originally posted by samishe
Are you saying that everyone Ryu fought in comix and anime has mountain-like durability?

no, why?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Such a sexy post! I'm jealous to say the least.

Thanks! 😄

Originally posted by Shin_Gouken
no, why?

Coz every his opponent supposed to be dead long ago since every his punch could break a mountain.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Which alpha show me the pic.

Originally posted by samishe
Coz every his opponent supposed to be dead long ago since every his punch could break a mountain.

I think Spidey can win. If he can manage to hit Ryu with a web attack that could give him the two seconds he needs to reach Ryu, Ryu breaks out and they fight in CQC. I know Ryu's attacks are uber fast, but Spideys spider sense will probably slow them down to at least normal punches. Like with Flash Tomspon.

Flash ain't ryu... however.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't have a pic I could show you, you'll have to see it... sorry.

You DO know what a plot device is, correct?

Yeah i searched in every dictionary i have. Tell me why are you asking or cut it out.

SFA3 bison plot device

The Psycho drive can channel any negative energy or emotions. But
Bison can get more from fighters. Bison blows up because his current body
couldn't handle any more Psycho Power. When the Psycho Drive blows up, all
the energy stored in there gets released. The released energy goes to
Bison's body, Bison's body can't take it and *BOOM*

Originally posted by samishe
Yeah i searched in every dictionary i have. Tell me why are you asking or cut it out.

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those run are disregarded.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its more of a forum rule:

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those run are disregarded.

Well, thank you i guess. But why're you showing me this, i've read rules already. Where did i used PIS or CIS or SvFL?

It was in refrence with an example you were consistently using with Spiderman vs Ock. Logic must be used in debates as well.

Originally posted by samishe
Just remembered. Here is your prooff. Spider-man KOed Firelord once. I guess this is convincing.

You used SVFL and I told too.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was in refrence with an example you were consistently using with Spiderman vs Ock. Logic must be used in debates as well.

It wasn't me who was using Spider-man vs Ock example it was Sixth Winged.