Ultimate Colossus vs 616 Juggernaut

dude.....i didnt make them up....notice i only put up a few numbers....cuz i dont make em up....i only name exact numbers when their stated.....I WONT PUT UP NUMBERS IF THEIR NOT STATED.....i dont know the issues for most of these, but the one's i do know i will say so...

THE THING sent a whole 100,000 ton Battleship into space in one punch! - READ FF VOL.3 #8
HULK has held 150,000,000,000 tons of a Mountain for almost a minute! - READ SECRET WARS #4
JUGGERNAUT has had all his skin magically burnt off and kept coming! -READ THE JUGGERNAUT ONE-SHOT!
Has knocked out The Thing in 3 shots! -READ SECRET WARS II #7
Has gone toe-to-toe with War Hulk who was Hulk enhanced by Celestial Armor! - READ INCREDIBLE HULK #457
GLADIATOR lifted the Baxter Building! - READ FF #249-250
NAMOR consistently stands toe-to-toe with the Thing on land, and consistently beats him in the ocean! - READ FF VOL.2 #2

alright now how bout u go read wut i just told u to and stop being a fanboy and actually get some knowledge of comics...

And Ultimate Colossus is strong, yes, but not compared to these guys...all these guys are way stronger than Ultimate Colossus could ever dream of being......explain to me how his best feat, lifting a 7,000 ton submarine under 30,000 tons of pressure is superior to things such as sending an 100,000 ton battleship into space in one punch or lifting the Baxter Building, which must weigh at least a couple hundred thousand tons (just to name a few of the feats i mentioned)....explain how u figure that cuz i really wanna know lol i didnt think lifting 37,000 tons is a better feat than holding 150,000,000,000 tons or punching 100,000 tons into space with one right hook.....

.....ur a stupid fanboy, give up b4 i embarass u....

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Well 616 Colossus dealt with She Hulk with ease, and they say She Hulk has he same strength as Hulk. Thor could not use magic against Juggernaut because Juggs suit is magic, and is magic resistant. Thor's power also weaver from writer to writer, and I have never seen Juggernaut or Hulk do something as amazing as pick up, hold and carry a 7000 ton subamarine miles away from shore. I have never seen them two do something like carry overcome 30,000 pounds of force.

Ultimate Colossus has shown to be stronger than his 616 counterpart, and 616 Colossus has defeated some good people on his own. Ultimate Thor defeated the whole Ultimate team, but got his ass handed to him by Colossus. Ironman in the same issue with his superspeed, nice guns, ability to fly, superstength, and super durability got taken out in a matter of seconds. Magneto with all his experiance, and being one of the strongest mutants in the world was taken out by Colossus, but yet he is still thought of as a middle rank mutant.

Colossus also shown he was resistant to magic when he fought Thor, because if he wouldn't have been he would have lost that fight.

She-Hulk isn't as strong as Hulk or even as durable.

Thor cna and did use hsi magic against Juggernaut and it was by far the most effective attack I've seen used on Cain. I can understand you saying juggernaut cause he doens't have the same feats of object strength evne though his battle strength counts. But to say that about Hulk, I begin to think that you don't really know very much about comics. Hulk once braced upa damn mountain in secret wars and punched meteor bigger than the earth and destroyed it.

Ult. Colossu lifetd up a submarine and stopped train, please tell me how that is even close.

Ultimate Thor didn't defeat the whole Ultimate Team otherwise he wouldn't be locked up in the Trieskalon now would he? Also Ult. Iton man doesn't hav eSuper Speed. He cna fly really fast but he doesn't have superspeed. Infact what has Ult. Ironman done but get his ass kicked. Hulk kicked his ass, wolverine kicked his ass, Coloossus kicked his ass, Thor kicked his ass. Ther is probably mroe but Ult. Iron Man is a pansy.

As for ult. Magneto thing that is nothing but PIS and you know it but even that doesn't place him in the same batting cage is the big gusy in 616.

Ult.Thor's powers are technological not magical.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
No offense, but those numbers you just put up are bullshit I wonder were you got them? from mabe your head. This is crazy one day these people are the shit the next there getting there ass whoped power changes between writers. Ultimate Colossus has been in less than 80 comics, and has done to bad ass shit he's just as strong as the people you put up. One writer will have a character struggling to pick up a car, and the next will have them picking up Jupiter, and Jupiter is a gas
planet.

Name colossus feats. Then think of the guys you are putting him up against even the average of their strength feats is greater than his.

If colossus hasn't done anything near that then how cna you say that he is just as strong?

-Stood face to face with a train which had multiple railroad cars with it. It crashed on him, and he stopped it on its tracks without even moving.
-Took hot lava on him and had no injuries.
-Survived miles in bottom of the ocean with no trouble with the pressure.
-Carried an entire submarine from the bottom of the ocean.
-Overtook Magneto's hold on him and kicked his ass.
-Survived a full blast from Havok and was only knocked out.
-Defeated an entire group of Brotherhod mutants.
-Did not move an inch when a Brotherhood car crashed on him with full speed.
-Knocked out Thor
-Knocked out Iron Man
-A miniature nuke was needed to put him down and even after that he recovered in about fifteen minutes.
-thew a 50 ft sentinal houndreds of feet in the air with ease
-stoped a farris wheel

Thats just a few i'm probably leaving some out sorry if I did.

I'm not sure but how many pounds of pressure where on Colossus due to him being miles from the surface so add that to the 7000 ton Sub, and calculate.

May I see some scans I would just like to see these feats Valeciano, and the numbers where it was written.

I think these days comic writers are trying to make comics more believable while still saying these characters sre the same strength. I doubt we will ever see Thing if what you say is true punch a 100,000 ton battleship into space.

Where does it say Ultimate Magneto is weaker than his 616 counterpart or any others for that matter. There hasn't been that many issues so I think it's too early to judge how strong some characers are I think we should wait, and see.

Thor survive a planet explosion unharmed.

Thor- lifted midgard serpent which wieghts as much as earth own two different occassion.

Thor - killed fing fang foom

Thor - Took on exitar 20,000 ft celestial and damage his brain dom, after that celestial made a copy of thor out of respect.

Thor- fought his half brother Atum the god eater/demogorge a elder god

Thor - defeated galactus
Thor -defeated ego

got to go too work , I'll be back

I think that thses days as people have grown to be smarter that we will never again see someone do what you just described. I doubt we will ever see people surviving planet explosions, and such Comics will never be what they once were.

For example they have Ultimate Colossus listed as the same strength, but do you truly believe that they will ever show a giant snake wrap around the world in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Ultimate Colossus again I will say isjust as strong as the people they listed its just that comics have changed, and we will never see what you once saw.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
I think that thses days as people have grown to be smarter that we will never again see someone do what you just described. I doubt we will ever see people surviving planet explosions, and such Comics will never be what they once were.

For example they have Ultimate Colossus listed as the same strength, but do you truly believe that they will ever show a giant snake wrap around the world in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Ultimate Colossus again I will say isjust as strong as the people they listed its just that comics have changed, and we will never see what you once saw.

They have listed him as same strenght class...but there are different varieties. Both can lift over 100 tons. But Thor can lift more. He is god, after all. Thor has done those feats, so they are canon. He could do the same again if needed. Colossus has done nothing even close to that.

Originally posted by Warmonger

This is where Cain brings the house down. Notice who is laying down? If Colosus could dodge Cain's earlier attacks then why would he be laying like this while Cain takes even longer to tear the wall down? No he was either otu cold or playing dead. Then...

Cain delivers his line gives Logan some money then walks of all of this before Colosuss even gets up. So once again if he was really looking ot keep fighting why would he wait for Juggernaut to leave efore getting up. So if you say that he is not unconcoius then you are saying that Colossu didn't want to continue the fight. So its either he was scared or he was out cold which is it?

He was down for a few seconds. If you notice the two pages take place during the duration of a sentence from Juggernaut. Colossus was down for only a few seconds.

Originally posted by Valeciano

NAMOR consistently stands toe-to-toe with the Thing on land,

Originally posted by Valeciano

.....ur a stupid fanboy, give up b4 i embarass u....

Why was he down if he wasn't knocked out?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor goes toe to toe with Thing on land? .

Yep...

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Why was he down if he wasn't knocked out?

Even Namor would be knocked down.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
When Juggernaut punches people they usually get knocked down.

Even Namor would be knocked down.

No, but why wasn't he getting up?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yep...

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, but why wasn't he getting up?

Hey if you guys think he was kocked out. Go with it.

Originally posted by Valeciano
Dude, shut up....u have absolutely NO IDEA wut ur talking about...30,000 pounds honestly is nothing...even the Thing has shown strength superior to that....

THE THING sent a whole 100,000 ton Battleship into space in one punch!
THOR lifted the Midgard Serpent which was so enormous that it wrapped itself around the earth several times!
HERCULES held the earth itself on his shoulders! has dragged Manhattan!
HULK has braced 150,000,000,000 tons of a Mountain for almsot a minute! has destroyed a meteor half the size of Earth with one punch!
JUGGERNAUT has punched holes thru dimensions! has had all his skin magically burnt off and kept coming! has *****-slapped Thor! Has knocked out The Thing in 3 shots! Has knocked out Colossus in one shot! Has beat the Hulk to within an inch of his life! Has gone toe-to-toe with War Hulk who was Hulk enhanced by Celestial Armor!
GLADIATOR lifted the Baxter Building! stood toe-to-toe with Thor who was going all out!
NAMOR consistently stands toe-to-toe with the Thing on land, and consistently beats him in the ocean! Has lifted 200,000 ton submarines!

ALL THESE GUYS, ESPECIALLY JUGGERNAUT, ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO ANY VERSION OF COLOSSUS.

Everything you've just said is true except Juggs knocked The THING down with 3 punches... not out... Then Ben took Juggs down to the ground with one hand...

And Ben has held his own under water with Namor on more than one occasion...

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Usually Namor knocks him out there, though.

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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Everything you've just said is true except Juggs knocked The THING down with 3 punches... not out... Then Ben took Juggs down to the ground with one hand...

And Ben has held his own under water with Namor on more than one occasion...

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Thing has gone toe to toe with Namor on land and water. We know this.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Everything you've just said is true except Juggs knocked The THING down with 3 punches... not out... Then Ben took Juggs down to the ground with one hand...

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Lucky for Thing Juggy was teleported away.

Now again I will say that you underestimate Ultimate Colossus, and that if 616 Colossus as young as he was could hold his own not be knocked out, and have Juggernaut himself say the boy could fight, and has heart then why do you say that Ultimate Colossus who Marvel has obviously made stronger than his 616 counterpart will get ran over in this fight.

Now I'm not saying that Ultimate Colossus will beat Juggernaut all I'm saying is that Ultimate Colossus would hold his own, and the fight might even be a draw.

It is true that the 616 Colossus when he is knocked out he changes back to his human form it's Ultimate Colossus that gets knocked out and stays the same.

Another thing I would like for you to answer is do you truly believe that we will ever see the things in comics that you saw 10 20 years ago? No because people are not stupid, and if people saw giant snakes wrap around the world, and a man pull it off they would laugh.

So Juggernaut vs Ultimate Colossus I see it more as a draw than anything else. If 616 Colossus can fight Juggernaut hold his own, and Ultimate Colossus can survive a nuke blast then he take a punch, and give Juggernaut a fight.