Originally posted by soujaboy09Another thing I would like for you to answer is do you truly believe that we will ever see the things in comics that you saw 10 20 years ago? No because people are not stupid, and if people saw giant snakes wrap around the world, and a man pull it off they would laugh.
Thor is still strong enough to do those things. It doesn't matter when it happened.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
And everyting you just said was not true. Thing was knocked out. After Juggy floored Thing he stepped on Things head to walk over him then as Juggy walked over him Thing tripped Juggernaut and he fell down. Then Thing stood up then fell back down.Lucky for Thing Juggy was teleported away.
So your saying that Ben was knocked out for a couple seconds but woke up had the mind enough to grab Juggs foot halt his movement and stop him from touching the Beyonder to complete his task and then all the villians where teleported away...?
Yea...right...
Ben was knocked down not out...
Then decided to take a nap after he had completed his mission of stopping the 99 villians.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
He does have a good point though.
Who? him I mean I get what he's saying I just don't see it happening. Ok here, they say Hercules was the greatest Avenger ever but I could never in my life see him go grab a snake the size of earth, and take it away. Hulk they say he's suppose to be the strongest ever in the 616 universe that means greater than Thor, but I never see him going, and grabing a snake the size of earth. I'm sorry but if Marvel started in the year 2000 we would have never saw Thor pick up a snake the size of earth it's unbelieveable he should never lose a fight with strength like that. Thor should have no problem with anything, and that why I say powers vary between writers, because another writer will have Thor a good fight with someone like Thing, not saying Thing sucks it's just with the strength enouph to pick up a snake the size of earth he should deal with Thing with ease.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Who? him I mean I get what he's saying I just don't see it happening. Ok here, they say Hercules was the greatest Avenger ever but I could never in my life see him go grab a snake the size of earth, and take it away. Hulk they say he's suppose to be the strongest ever in the 616 universe that means greater than Thor, but I never see him going, and grabing a snake the size of earth. I'm sorry but if Marvel started in the year 2000 we would have never saw Thor pick up a snake the size of earth it's unbelieveable he should never lose a fight with strength like that. Thor should have no problem with anything, and that why I say powers vary between writers, because another writer will have Thor a good fight with someone like Thing, not saying Thing sucks it's just with the strength enouph to pick up a snake the size of earth he should deal with Thing with ease.
Hercules has lifted the planet one time. Hulk has destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Now again I will say that you underestimate Ultimate Colossus, and that if 616 Colossus as young as he was could hold his own not be knocked out, and have Juggernaut himself say the boy could fight, and has heart then why do you say that Ultimate Colossus who Marvel has obviously made stronger than his 616 counterpart will get ran over in this fight.Now I'm not saying that Ultimate Colossus will beat Juggernaut all I'm saying is that Ultimate Colossus would hold his own, and the fight might even be a draw.
It is true that the 616 Colossus when he is knocked out he changes back to his human form it's Ultimate Colossus that gets knocked out and stays the same.
Another thing I would like for you to answer is do you truly believe that we will ever see the things in comics that you saw 10 20 years ago? No because people are not stupid, and if people saw giant snakes wrap around the world, and a man pull it off they would laugh.
So Juggernaut vs Ultimate Colossus I see it more as a draw than anything else. If 616 Colossus can fight Juggernaut hold his own, and Ultimate Colossus can survive a nuke blast then he take a punch, and give Juggernaut a fight.
You can try to deny and try to play off what Thor did. But the fact is that it is Canon. It happened. And why couldn't Thor Or Juggy not be Able to do that. One is a GOD. The other is empowered by a GOD.
And I agree Ult.Colossus wouldn't go down so easily. But he will go down. I wouldn't say he would ever tie with Juggs but he will go down with a fight.
Juggernaut wins this not easy but still wins 9/10 times.
And how strong is Ult colossus compared to the current 616 colossus.
Last I heard that after they resurrected him they upgraded his strength to the 90 ton range.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
616 Colossus is in 100 ton range as is Ultimate Colossus, but Ultimate Colossus has shown he can lift more than 100 tons even though he's listed at that range.I could have swore Juggernaut has been weakened, and he's not as strong as he once was, even so I still think this would be a good fight.
What has Ulti.Colossus lifted that is 100 tons?
"Another thing I would like for you to answer is do you truly believe that we will ever see the things in comics that you saw 10 20 years ago? No because people are not stupid, and if people saw giant snakes wrap around the world, and a man pull it off they would laugh."
Man, those things were already called "myth-logy" centuries ago. Nevermind 10 or 20 years back. Its fantasy.
And unless im wrong people today still read about a guy with boxers above his pants and a cape that can fly. "We" never tough they wer real, ergo we arent stupid and never wer.
" I'm sorry but if Marvel started in the year 2000 we would have never saw Thor pick up a snake the size of earth it's unbelieveable"
Of course we would. Thor wasent created by Marvel. Its a version of a culture world hero that existed long ago. Wich means everything related can be used. Either in 1960 or the year 3000.
"it's unbelieveable he should never lose a fight with strength like that."
Unless of course -someone- matches him and/or surpasses him. He isent the only character with that range of strenght.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ggernaut102.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...gernaut1022.jpg
Ok look at these pics these are from 616 Colossus vs Juggernaut Colossus in this pic is fairly new to the X Men, and is far weaker than he is now in the 616 universe. Now look in both fights 616 Colossus vs Juggernaut Colossus did a good job, and in those pics he's far weaker than he is now in the 616 universe. Now don't you think that Ultimate Colossus who is stronger than updated 616 Colossus could at leat put a good fight to Juggernaut? This is why I think it could be a tie because Ultimate Colossus is stronger than the 616 Colossus now, and the young 616 Colossus put up good fight so that by logic means Ultimate Colossus wouldn't get put down so easily.
These pics are from The Ultimate/616 Colossus respect thread found by snoopdogg.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
No offense, but those numbers you just put up are bullshit I wonder were you got them? from mabe your head. This is crazy one day these people are the shit the next there getting there ass whoped power changes between writers. Ultimate Colossus has been in less than 80 comics, and has done to bad ass shit he's just as strong as the people you put up. One writer will have a character struggling to pick up a car, and the next will have them picking up Jupiter, and Jupiter is a gas
planet.
I created a simmilar thread to this in my 1st week .... I agree with you Ultimate Colossus has been one of marvels most impressive strong guy for the last 2-3 years !!!!!!!!!
King Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Atlas and Sentry are the only ones who have been more impressive ! Mortal Herc was pretty impressive in his last mini aswell !
But they are right ! .... Everyone considered stronger than Namor has greater feats, somewhere down the line.
Thing punching a 100 kilo ton object into orbit sounds unrealistc ! When did this happen ? 🙂
Originally posted by Jose123Didn't you see these pics? I posted them already.
What has Ulti.Colossus lifted that is 100 tons?
He lifted a k-14 submarine over his head and walked miles to shore with it. And it was uphill!
I did some research and a k-14 weighs over 8,000 tons. And it was half full of water which added another 100 or more tons.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpg
Originally posted by soujaboy09
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...ggernaut102.jpghttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...gernaut1022.jpg
Ok look at these pics these are from 616 Colossus vs Juggernaut Colossus in this pic is fairly new to the X Men, and is far weaker than he is now in the 616 universe. Now look in both fights 616 Colossus vs Juggernaut Colossus did a good job, and in those pics he's far weaker than he is now in the 616 universe. Now don't you think that Ultimate Colossus who is stronger than updated 616 Colossus could at leat put a good fight to Juggernaut? This is why I think it could be a tie because Ultimate Colossus is stronger than the 616 Colossus now, and the young 616 Colossus put up good fight so that by logic means Ultimate Colossus wouldn't get put down so easily.
These pics are from The Ultimate/616 Colossus respect thread found by snoopdogg.
Can't see the link.
and what has Ult.colossus done that shows him as a 100 toner?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't you see these pics? I posted them already.He lifted a k-14 submarine over his head and walked miles to shore with it. And it was uphill!
I did some research and a k-14 weighs over 8,000 tons. And it was half full of water which added another 100 or more tons.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossuslifingSub2.jpg
How can being filled with water increase it from 8,000 to 100,000 i know it would be more heavy filled with water but 100 tons?
does it state that in the comic or did you just guess?
He lifted a 8000 ton submarine filled with water, and people which added around 200 tons, miles away from the shore add the water pressure, and I dont no how many tons that is.
He stoped a train dead in its tracks with around 100 cars added to it.
He overcame 30,000 tons of pressure to overcome Magnetos power.
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Pics from Ultimate/616 Colossus respect thread
Originally posted by soujaboy09
He lifted a 8000 ton submarine filled with water, and people which added around 200 tons, miles away from the shore add the water pressure, and I dont no how many tons that is.He stoped a train dead in its tracks with around 100 cars added to it.
He overcame 30,000 tons of pressure to overcome Magnetos power.
[img=http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/6046/colossusstoppintrain23na.jpg]
[img=http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/879/colossuslifingsub0jt.jpg]
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Pics from Ultimate/616 Colossus respect thread
When did the 30 000 tons happen !
