Originally posted by outavodka
lets put it like this it wouldnt matter if max contralld supes or not if it came down to it WW goes down. Supes broke WW's wrist by squeezing her bracelets not to mention it look like he DENTED THEM!
*sigh*
He didn't DENT them, please (Although the art was bad...)
Wonder Woman broke his ribs....and yet everyone just plainly forgets it.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Supes knocked her out in that fight. When she entered back into the atmosphere she woke up.
Correction: She BLACKED out. Something completely different. And by the time frame for only a few seconds. And after such a powerful punch that sent her back from the Sun to the Earth in mere seconds, who WOULDN'T black out?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
If Superman would have followed up on that knock out he could have finished her.
True. But he wanted her to suffer and such...
Diana COULD have decaptiated his crazy ass but....
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Draco long time no see.I have a ? for ya. Do you think WW is stronger than DC Herc.?
Check out the Black Adam vs. Immortal Herc. thread.
You too! 😛 I was SO busy with holidays and finals and such.
Is WW is stronger than DC Hercules? She should be. Think it about. The gods designed her to be as wise as Athena (and she is) to be faster than Hermes (she's that too) and all her other gifts. BUT she's was also gifted with the "Strength of Gaea greater than that of Hercules." This isn't merely a turn of phrase. This was a literal magic spell created by the gods that gave her the strength of Gaea via her avatar Demeter.
Olympian may have doubts, but I have to ask if the gods gave her the exact abilities of her patrons for speed, intellect, stamina, etc; why would they mess up on strength? Answer: They didn't. She IS stronger than Hercules because that's precisely the way the gods designed her to be. If she didn't, than that means she cannot have her powers because her powers are all linked via Mother Gaea (i.e. the Earth).
Originally posted by cheap cabbage😬
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Meh, he can't do that anymore...
There's one big issue I have with WW vs. Superman in general. (I think we all pretty much agree that Superboy is getting the crap beat out of him, yes?) Wonderwoman is easily one of the top ten h2h fighters in DC. Now, if someone like Batman can hang with people who are thousands of times stronger and faster than him on skill alone, why does Diana not absolutely beat the living hell out of Superman, whos ratio of power of Wonderwoman is nowhere near that high? Sales and iconic auras aside, I think it's actually more likely that Wonderwoman, written to her potential, should demolish Kal a good amount of the time. She's not as strong as him, but she's strong enough to hurt him. She's not as fast, but she can see him moving, etc etc etc.
We're starting a revolution. Wonderwomen, 9/10. Diana takes 6/10 against Clark by herself, but Connor is having his head caved in each and every time. And even Supes isn't taking all 3 by himself.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Meh, he can't do that anymore...There's one big issue I have with WW vs. Superman in general. (I think we all pretty much agree that Superboy is getting the crap beat out of him, yes?) Wonderwoman is easily one of the top ten h2h fighters in DC. Now, if someone like Batman can hang with people who are thousands of times stronger and faster than him on skill alone, why does Diana not absolutely beat the living hell out of Superman, whos ratio of power of Wonderwoman is nowhere near that high? Sales and iconic auras aside, I think it's actually more likely that Wonderwoman, written to her potential, should demolish Kal a good amount of the time. She's not as strong as him, but she's strong enough to hurt him. She's not as fast, but she can see him moving, etc etc etc.
We're starting a revolution. Wonderwomen, 9/10. Diana takes 6/10 against Clark by herself, but Connor is having his head caved in each and every time. And even Supes isn't taking all 3 by himself.
Batman only holds his own b/c superman holds back everytime. Even batman admits it. Read hush. Superman can't ever be used to his full potential in comics. the comic would cover one page and it'd be a blur of superman taking out all crime. Diana only gets wins b/c she's always packing some magical weapon. Why can't superman run to his fortress and bring out some crap from the armory. I'd like to see WW fight off superman wielding a krptonian battlesuit and warworld guns. Superman truely bloodlusted would just go for a sundip. End of story.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Batman only holds his own b/c superman holds back everytime. Even batman admits it. Read hush.
That's because he's BATGOD. Read the OMAC Project. In the end, it all came down to Batman's EMP....despite the fact there were no less than FIVE characters in the battle that could have generated an EMP themselves. Like Green Lantern.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Superman can't ever be used to his full potential in comics. the comic would cover one page and it'd be a blur of superman taking out all crime.
Absolutely true. But the same could be said for Wonder Woman. WW's fast enough to just vibrate through bullets, or she can speedblitz every opponent. But she doesn't. It's a general rule of thumb for DC characters to never be written to full potential. Which is a travesty.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Diana only gets wins b/c she's always packing some magical weapon.
And? Superman has heat vision, tornado breath, freeze-breath and god knows what else. Isn't it fair to even the odds a bit?
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Why can't superman run to his fortress and bring out some crap from the armory. I'd like to see WW fight off superman wielding a krptonian battlesuit and warworld guns.
Superman has an incredible arsenal in his Fortress....but WW has access to some truly scary sh*t. She has gods at her beckon to create weapons to destroy whole continents. She has access to not only the Greek Pantheon but ALL gods including Heaven itself. Hell she can just take out her Medousa Head and call it a day.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Superman truely bloodlusted would just go for a sundip. End of story.
Wonder Woman truly bloodlusted would just go for the Godwave. Godwave Wonder Woman > Sundipped Superman. End of story.
Originally posted by The Ion
Wonder WomenDiana can hold off Supes long enough for Troia and Wonder Girl to take out Connor. Then it's 3 on 1 and Supes goes down.
No way if he was not holding back he would break Wonderwomans neck with her own Lasso and then kill of the rest easily you can see him do that in the Ownage forum.
Originally posted by Fanboy
No way if he was not holding back he would break Wonderwomans neck with her own Lasso and then kill of the rest easily you can see him do that in the Ownage forum.
Originally posted by The Ion
Did you even read the story where he broke her neck with the lasso? She wasn't trying to fight him. She was trying to bring him back to reality. In other words, she was holding back. Yes, Superman isn't the only person who holds back.
Maybe you should read more clearly before making such erroneous claims. A handful of pages earlier Wonder Woman says overtly:
"What I do, I do FREELY and with clear conscience. DIE OPPRESSOR!"
And kills Batman without hesitation. It's hilarious to pretend she was holding back afterwards, instead what we see his Superman unleashed fully in his rage against Wonder Woman and her completely incapable of responding save to make a plea to his better nature, HARDLY Wonder Woman holding back by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Originally posted by Draco69
That's because he's BATGOD. Read the OMAC Project. In the end, it all came down to Batman's EMP....despite the fact there were no less than FIVE characters in the battle that could have generated an EMP themselves. Like Green Lantern.Wonder Woman truly bloodlusted would just go for the Godwave. Godwave Wonder Woman > Sundipped Superman. End of story.
Wonder woman can't just bust out godwave on a whim. The time she did use it, she said herself that she couldn't control it and it would destroy her. Superman files in the sun, comes out. Wonderman has to recieve godwave from the gods and such, which while more powerful than sundip, requires a slow process to aquire. Sudipped superman shit kicks everyone.
Originally posted by Demas
Maybe you should read more clearly before making such erroneous claims. A handful of pages earlier Wonder Woman says overtly:"What I do, I do FREELY and with clear conscience. DIE OPPRESSOR!"
And kills Batman without hesitation. It's hilarious to pretend she was holding back afterwards, instead what we see his Superman unleashed fully in his rage against Wonder Woman and her completely incapable of responding save to make a plea to his better nature, HARDLY Wonder Woman holding back by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Like Draco said, if she wanted him dead, he gets decapitated by the tiara. She has more than enough weapons to handle Supes.
Originally posted by The Ion
Disagree. He blitzed her from the moon once and she started talking to him without trying to get up and defend. Furthermore she was stated to be holding back in the Sacrifice fight.Like Draco said, if she wanted him dead, he gets decapitated by the tiara. She has more than enough weapons to handle Supes.
Wonder woman yes probably held back, but the writers placed enormous restraint in superman's power level. He was written as fighting dirty, but hardly using all his power. A full force thorbuster from next to the sun should have turned her into paste. The only way wonder woman could kill superman is to surprise him with a majic weapon of some kind. Straight fight, superman tears her limb from limb.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Batman only holds his own b/c superman holds back everytime. Even batman admits it. Read hush. Superman can't ever be used to his full potential in comics. the comic would cover one page and it'd be a blur of superman taking out all crime. Diana only gets wins b/c she's always packing some magical weapon. Why can't superman run to his fortress and bring out some crap from the armory. I'd like to see WW fight off superman wielding a krptonian battlesuit and warworld guns. Superman truely bloodlusted would just go for a sundip. End of story.
What, my whole rant on fighting skills, gone because I mentioned Batman?
I wasn't talking about Bruce fighting Superman. He uses plot devices to an extreme there. I'm talking about higher end street levelers, anyone in the 25 tonnish range. Daredevil fighting Spiderman, Slade fighting the Titans, even Mantis stunning Thor or Gamora surviving Thanos.
Wonderwoman can hold her own in h2h skills against any of them, physical differences aside. If she was made human in all respects, she'd still hang with DD and Batman... I dunno about Mantis and Gamora, but she definitely wouldn't go down without a fight.
Spiderman is almost 50 times stronger than Daredevil, and something like 20 times as fast. Superman is MAYBE twice as strong and fast as Wonderwoman. However, when DD and Spiderman meet, Daredevil gives him a VERY good fight, and sometimes even ends up on top. When Wonderwoman fights Clark, she doesn't use any fancy moves at all. She doesn't play defensive and predict his blows, she never even attempts pressure points, she hardly even pulls out a basic block or two. Fighting to her full ability, Superman should be getting thrown around by her staggering fighting skills advantage and comparable physical traits.
Wonderwoman, 6/10.
