Wonder Women vs Supermen

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Diana does not merely think give me the godwave. The issue where she called it had her going at it for 2 1/2 pages of groaning and trying to control the power. If she didn't do all that concentation and whatnot she would have exploded. Superman doesn't need to sit in the sun for any great amount of time to take out WW. He needed to sit there for a while during OWAW because he was fighting a DEVOURER OF GALAXIES. He can just fly through and then accelerate to past light speed and blitz diana while she's groaning about the power of godwave.

*sigh*

For heaven's sake, she was petitioning the gods themselves for the the Godwave that resides in Olympus. Not the sum totality of the Godwave. Merely a piece of the pie, since the Godwave resides in all superpowered persons and all godly pantheons.

Second, you're grossly over exaggerating what happened. She was ALREADY in possession of the Godwave and was shown stomping Rama into the ground. The transition of the Godwave was INSTANTANEOUS She was "groaning" because it was rather difficult to control the powers of creation itself, which is understandable.

Diana prays. She gets the Godwave. She blips Superman out of existence. Superman however has to fly to the sun, charge up his reserves, than come back. As shown many times in the past "sundipping" is not an instantneous process. He requires some time to become charged past his primary reserves' maximum.

Superman can sit there in the sun for a million years and he STILL wouldn't be powerful enough. The Godwave's power is so great the Angel Host feared it would be powerful enough to kill the Presence itself.

Can Diana only wield it for a short amount time? Yes. But when you wield the powers of creation itself that Heaven itself fears, time has no meaning and can be stretch to eternity. WW remakes reality so Superman never landed in Kansas but rather an active volcano.

Originally posted by Draco69

Can Diana only wield it for a short amount time? Yes. But when you wield the powers of creation itself that Heaven itself fears, time has no meaning and can be stretch to eternity. WW remakes reality so Superman never landed in Kansas but rather an active volcano.

😂

Originally posted by Draco69
WW remakes reality so Superman never landed in Kansas but rather an active volcano.

Originally posted by Soljer
Reading for comprehension. Look in context, my bias is in Wonder Woman's FAVOR. You're telling me I am biased toward Wonder Woman without sufficient knowledge? Okay...

Furthermore, bias is usually defined as UNFAIR preference for something due to prejudice. I'm prejudiced toward Wonder Woman and against Superman in this fight. Is that unfair to Superman? Yeah, but even when things turn the wheel into Diana's favor, I'm not so blind as to be unable to tell you that this is a curbstomp. Superman Wins.

Superman has a better chance to win, that much is true. The odds are more in his favor. But this is certainly not a curbstomp as much as you would believe anymore would it be for Martian Manhunter or Captain Marvel. Superman would be facing a being who's strength and speed is a small notch below his, possessing numerous magical artifacts and whose fighting skills is nearly unparalleled by anyone on Earth or for that matter in the known DC Universe. This battle would be as close as Captain America vs. Batman or Green Arrow vs. Hawkeye.

Originally posted by TheKahn
But is WW vulnerable while she is gathering the Godwave?
Canneling that much energy could offer her some added protection. Does any one know for sure?

Depends. If she's smart, she would just cross her bracelets and let herself be protected by an impenetrable forcefield a league of Skyfather beings were not capable getting through even at their best.

If she's dumb, she would pray yoga style on rice paddy complete with candle incense.

It's doesn't take that long. She simply concentrates and says something equivalent to "May I have the Godwave, so I can can Superman's ass, please?"

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
What happens when superman get's ready to kill? We have seen wonder woman at that state, but never superman. As much as the writer's tell us that he is ready, he really isn't. Superman can never be in that state. That is the whole point of his character. In the end, he can never kill someone with intent. We don't know what superman TRUELY bloodlusted can do, but we can judge off stats. And by and large, superman is a notch above. If somebody managed to push big blue over the top, superman doesn't just get ready to kill 1 person. Superman's bloodlust would be him not caring about anybody. Imagine what someone like him could do with homicidal rage and absolutely no moral limits. At his current post-crisis level, he can't chuck planets like before, but you can bet he'd be pissed enough to drop the moon on the earth. No more wonder women.

Here's a question: Have you ever seen Wonder Woman use her superspeed to open a can of whoop ass, Dragon Ball Z style? Or using her lasso to burn people alive? Or using her lasso as a la weed ripper to rip limbs from people? Or use the Godwave to blip people from existence? Or using her martial art training to induce seizures via pressure points and nerve strikes? Or using her tiara as a claw to rip out internal organs? Or using the Invisible Plane to mindwipe people? Or using her lasso to strangle people to death? No? Than you haven't seen a bloodlusted WW. You've seen an angry WW. You've seen a pissed-off WW. But you haven't seen anything close to a truly bloodlusted WW.

You keep picturing a merciless, speedblitzing Superman in a homicidal rage. However you fail to grasp a merciless, speedblitzing Wonder Woman as well. Which is the problem. For many people...

And no, Superman can drop the moon on the Earth for heaven's sake he needed his JLA teammates help to even move it.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman caught WW's sword in IC #3 when she was gonna kill Mongul with it.

It's magical.

She MEANT for him to catch it. You didn't read it correctly. She was testing Superman and Batman. She was right: They DID see her as a bloodthirsty warrior. They failed the test. Diana would NEVER decipitate a downed foe that poses no more of a threat.

Originally posted by superman420sexy
I don't know anything about the new superman but the superman that juggled planets and moved the earth would crack her skull in one punch. One storm cloud weigh's 12 billion pounds, which I am absolutely certain of. Now thiking of that compared to all the ocean's and rock material on Earth, I would imagine one storm cloud is a trillionth of the Earth's actual weight. That number I am not certain of, but that doesn't matter considering superman could move the earth while wonderwoman couldn't lift up 35 elephants. Wonder woman is class 90 and an elephant weighs 3 tons, 35 times 3 equals 105 tons(which is 210,000 pounds so even if she could, it is no where near the pre-crisis superman's strength. It doesn't even get close to anything close to it. I only speak facts so if i am not sure of something I just let it go either way) . So the pre-crisis superman that moved the earth and juggled planets would crack all three of their skulls in seconds while the other two enjoyed a cigarette. That is not biased from a superman fan i believe he was overpowered being the first superhero, and that wonderwoman is sexy as hell for a cartoon character, but i gotta go with the facts. I am not certain how the new superman would do? If he was actually only class 100 and couldn't move the earth anymore I would say it would be close with his heat vision and her braces being the biggest factors. I guess he could knock her down with his wind breath and then move in at however fast he could move(is it still the speed of light?) and stomp her head or get her with his heat vision. But I don't know the powers of the new superman so i guess that could go either way between them.

God I hate newbies....especially immature twelve-year old newbies. I have to the whole goddamned process again.

Originally posted by Draco69
She MEANT for him to catch it. You didn't read it correctly. She was testing Superman and Batman. She was right: They DID see her as a bloodthirsty warrior. They failed the test. Diana would NEVER decipitate a downed foe that poses no more of a threat.

Originally posted by long pig
Where'd that info come from?

Greg Rucka in Newsrama. He didn't say it outright because apparently the moment has some significance to later events. He said in word: What we saw was a SUPPOSED intent of what she was going to do, not actually what she truly intended to do.

Diana simply would never kill a downed, helpless enemy that posed no more of a threat. She was testing them both. If they truly knew her, her sword would have never have struck Mongul. But they failed the test. A bit of dialogue clues as well:

Batman: "What are you doing?"

WW: "What did you THINK I was going to do?"

She sliced Superman's hands out of anger. Anger that her best friend had so grossly misjudged who she is and what her moral standing is. As Diana said in IC#3, Bruce and Superman see her nothing more as a bloodthirsty warrior with no moral qualms whatsoever. Which simply isn't true.

Okay, so general consensus is with the Wonder Women?

New game: Remove Wonder Girl.

Wonder Woman/Troia vs Superman/Superboy. Same stipulations.

Without the numbers advantage do the Wonder Women still win?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay, so general consensus is with the Wonder Women?

New game: Remove Wonder Girl.

Wonder Woman/Troia vs Superman/Superboy. Same stipulations.

Without the numbers advantage do the Wonder Women still win?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay, so general consensus is with the Wonder Women?

New game: Remove Wonder Girl.

Wonder Woman/Troia vs Superman/Superboy. Same stipulations.

Without the numbers advantage do the Wonder Women still win?

Most likely. Current Troia would curbstomp Superboy while WW handles Superman. Then they both tagteam Superman. As the Goddess of the Moon, she's quite possibly the most powerful out of all of them but her limits have no been shown. She has new nifty powers though. MAGICAL powers. Magical GODLY powers.

Originally posted by Draco69
Most likely. Current Troia would curbstomp Superboy while WW handles Superman. Then they both tagteam Superman. As the Goddess of the Moon, she's quite possibly the most powerful out of all of them but her limits have no been shown. She has new nifty powers though. MAGICAL powers. Magical GODLY powers.

Originally posted by The Ion
You say it better than me. You have quite the way with words. 😍

😎

Originally posted by Draco69
*sigh*

For heaven's sake, she was petitioning the gods themselves for the the Godwave that resides in Olympus. Not the sum totality of the Godwave. Merely a piece of the pie, since the Godwave resides in all superpowered persons and all godly pantheons.

Second, you're grossly over exaggerating what happened. She was ALREADY in possession of the Godwave and was shown stomping Rama into the ground. The transition of the Godwave was INSTANTANEOUS She was "groaning" because it was rather difficult to control the powers of creation itself, which is understandable.

Diana prays. She gets the Godwave. She blips Superman out of existence. Superman however has to fly to the sun, charge up his reserves, than come back. As shown many times in the past "sundipping" is not an instantneous process. He requires some time to become charged past his primary reserves' maximum.

Superman can sit there in the sun for a million years and he STILL wouldn't be powerful enough. The Godwave's power is so great the Angel Host feared it would be powerful enough to kill the Presence itself.

Can Diana only wield it for a short amount time? Yes. But when you wield the powers of creation itself that Heaven itself fears, time has no meaning and can be stretch to eternity. WW remakes reality so Superman never landed in Kansas but rather an active volcano.

Cute.

This power would have been good to pull out during the Imperiex saga, Doomdays wars, Infinite crisis(currently), Heaven invading earth, Parallax, Mageddon, etc...

Whats her reason for not using it during emergency situations such as those? Is she limited in some way to how she may use that power?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Cute.

This power would have been good to pull out during the Imperiex saga, Doomdays wars, Infinite crisis(currently), Heaven invading earth, Parallax, Mageddon, etc...

Whats her reason for not using it during emergency situations such as those? Is she limited in some way to how she may use that power?

Simple Answer. The writers simply aren't aware of the power (neither are most comic fans. For heaven's sake I had to tell you all about the Godwave as all of you didn't even know it existed) Grant Morrison didn't. Neither did Joe Kelly. Phil Jimenez (WW fanboy that he is) certainly knew about it but the DC editorials wouldn't go for it.

Think about it. Why would you sell a comic that shows an EPIC threat that threatens everything DC Earth holds dear...and have Wonder Woman wave her magic wand to fix everything. The reaction would be thus:

Wonder Woman destroys Imperiux with the Godwave.

DC fans:

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What the f*** is the Godwave?!

General rule of thumb: WW will only use the Godwave in her own book or in the unlikely event a writer with sizeable knowledge about WW's capabilities uses it in crossover for once.

And you KNOW Superman always has to land the final blow on the big bad no matter the circumstances. 😉

Originally posted by Hit and Run
Are you talking about the real fight in this thread or the fight that people have been debating for the past few pages?

Remember, this the three Wonder Women vs the two Supermen(even if it did quickly turn into Wonder Woman vs Superman). Even if Superman was beating Wonder Woman, the other two wonder girls would join in after they quickly defeated Superboy, and even Superman cannot beat all three.

None of the other character's are even a factor. The little horny teens will be too busy making out to fight, and even if they do, they are consistently stupid. Wondergirl charged doomsday head on. Needless to say she nearly died, but it was stupid. Superboy gets his ass handed to him by ROBIN. ROBIN!!! And troia's whole deal is to suffer and die over and over again. She got taken by a superman robot. A ROBOT. superman takes her in 3 seconds.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
None of the other character's are even a factor. The little horny teens will be too busy making out to fight, and even if they do, they are consistently stupid. Wondergirl charged doomsday head on. Needless to say she nearly died, but it was stupid. Superboy gets his ass handed to him by ROBIN. ROBIN!!! And troia's whole deal is to suffer and die over and over again. She got taken by a superman robot. A ROBOT. superman takes her in 3 seconds.

I'm not sure if the Godwave is considered part of current continuity, as most writers at the time and even now have completely disregarded it, and it[Being Genesis] conflicted with MANY other stories.
Hypertime is also disregarded in this way...

I dunno it's messed up.