Dangerous Ideas

Started by PVS4 pages

as far as the origins of life, i feel that little will change.
those who are sold on the idea of evolution will have the answers they seeked, while those who chose to deny will continue to deny. it will be a great leap in the science community, and for those willing to accept it, but i dont think it will sell anyone on the idea.

No, I don't think that's it at all- he is very much making the point that bandying around terms like 'the Human race' implies that this is an enormous issue that will impede all of us.

He very much does not think that- he thinks it will only cause isolated problems, that should be approached with the same spirit of charity as were responses to, say, the Boxing Day Tsunami, rather than with a sense of desperation that we are against some general threat. He points out it will mostly affect the poor, and so the problem is actually entirely different to how it is generally presented.

He doesn't actually think it will affect many of us very much at all- except, as he points out, on a kind of moral level, about whether it is ok to let so many species be destroyed, and so forth.

That's what he is saying.

"All of these effects provide excellent reasons to act. And yet many people in the various green movements feel compelled to add on the notion that the planet itself is in crisis, or doomed"

That's all part of the same point.

He specifies the point I made above- that it will only have impact on certain groups.

Current responses to environmental issues are based around the idea that 'we' are under threat. He is saying this is not true- but that we should still act because others are under threat, and it is moral to help them.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I do agree that schools need to be revamped. Children aren't taught how to think, but what to think which is funded by the government. It's all geared towards the standard tests. Homeschooling is becoming big here, and for many states it it not regulated by the government. The government is trying to get their foot in the door of these states by offering free supplies, though most homeschools won't accept them for fear that if you take from the government, the government will take from you.

Besides kids spend all day in school, and wind up with 2 plus hours of school at home taking away their home time, when in a normal homeschool family, it only takes a student about 4 hours to finish all their schooling per day.

I only see one problem with your Homeschooling argument:

You don't exactly have the greatest choice of babes when it comes to choosing a prom date.

BUT...when one is chosen, the teachers should rest assured that one of their students won't get knocked up...here's hoping!

he suggests the idea that we should act NOW, thus the comparrison to green peace's method of addressing the issue. present tense. there is no way to act now in response to a catastrophy until what is done, is done. unless what he said is in regards to research and if possible, changes on our manner of using fuel.

That proponent wasn't actually seeing homeschooling as the answer- he still wanted the opportunity for kids to go somewhere for their day, but he wanted something nothing like the modern idea of a school.

Originally posted by PVS
he suggests the idea that we should act NOW, thus the comparrison to green peace's method of addressing the issue. present tense. there is no way to act now until what is done, is done. unless what he said is in regards to research and if possible, changes on our manner of using fuel.

No no- he is saying we should act now to avoid Global Warming- not because it affects us, but because it will have a disastrous effect on others.

He is saying that just because it does not affect us, that's no reason to not still act, but he feels the reason that many are acting is because the Green movement has scared them into thinking that it WILL affect us, which he does not like.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The Internet inadvertently undermines the quality of human interaction, allowing destructive emotional impulses freer reign under specific circumstances. The reason is a neural fluke that results in cyber-disinhibition of brain systems that keep our more unruly urges in check. The tech problem: a major disconnect between the ways our brains are wired to connect, and the interface offered in online interactions.

one word: troll 😂

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No no- he is saying we should act now to avoid Global Warming- not because it affects us, but because it will have a disastrous effect on others.

He is saying that just because it does not affect us, that's no reason to not still act, but he feels the reason that many are acting is because the Green movement has scared them into thinking that it WILL affect us, which he does not like.

so then we agree. man you are impossible 😂

Ah, that's because you thought I was using it as part of a Man-made Global Warming myth argument, which I was not (if I was hawking my own ideas, I would have posted the ones in there which talk about Kyoto being doornailed or Warming being unavoidable).

Originally posted by botankus
I only see one problem with your Homeschooling argument:

You don't exactly have the greatest choice of babes when it comes to choosing a prom date.

BUT...when one is chosen, the teachers should rest assured that one of their students won't get knocked up...here's hoping!

😂 Not much to chose from that's for sure. Though I wish the education system was geared more towards independent thinking than rote learning. ✅ Schools are preprogrammed by the government on how to think and view such things as historical events and science.

Very interesting ideas.

I don´t think the only problem is the educational system, children and teenagers main preoccupation is their social status, and relations, not their studies. There is also the teachers problem who many times concentrates on their authority relationship with the students. People should learn how to deal with these problems, and this is a matter of emotionally resolving our own problems with the others, developing a new educational system will not solve the problem. People do not want to learn math, they don´t see how it will help them, they prefer to learn how to deal with others, it is a more immediate problem to them. Teaching them must involve showing the importance of studies to them, and that is not so easy to do.

About cyber-disinhibition idea, I think that it is very true, we see that people in different occasions feel more or less free to express their feelings. But this excess disinhibition does not create feelings that did not existed before, it makes people show themselves by what they are. It does not make people more aggressive, or eliminate their dignity, but it makes easier for them to reveal what their inner feelings. Our inhibitory system just only balances our hate for the others(that already exists) using our fears to inhibit us. So it is not the ways of communication that are bad, but people emotions are.

I think that our ability to hide and ignore the existence of these impulses using social codes of behavior, and etiquette is very dangerous since one can be corrupted without knowing, or at least hiding or ignoring their corruption, it allows people to satisfy their hate without needing to assume responsibility for their destructive feelings. It happens because people fear their corruption, but they are to weak to fight it, and they accept to be who they are. These destructive feelings could be really something to worry about, if you are the type that easily perceive people emotions, or brave enough to face these emotions and not ignore their existence, then you know what I am talking about. It is no surprise that the author of cyber-disinhibition emphasized young people, we know what happened at Columbine, I think that is a good example of the consequences of these emotions.

I think your points about the education thing don't really address what the guy said. I think he would probably say that engendering an interest in such things is actively impossible in the school system, which he thinks distracts from, rather than encourages, education.

He might even go so far to say that if people are not interested in learning Maths and can survive without it, why bother? If they are interested or it is necessary, then they can learn it.

He is pretty much in favour of students guiding their own learning rather than having it dictated. That would be the part people would take issue with, I think.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I think your points about the education thing don't really address what the guy said. I think he would probably say that engendering an interest in such things is actively impossible in the school system, which he thinks distracts from, rather than encourags, education.

He might even go so far to say that if people are not interested in learning Maths and can survive without it, why bother? If they are interested or it is necessary, then they can learn it.

He is pretty much in favour of students guiding their own learning rather than having it dictated. That would be the part people would take issue with, I think.

I have heard of programs like this...In Michigan it's called unschooling and is taught by interest. For example to learn math, it could be taught by learning music with its notes each have time counting and such or in a job related field of measurement. Though I do know some who have gone to this kind of teaching approach, it does leave gabs, which have to be filled later in the community colleges.

The good thing with this approach though is no burn out and a great field of interest in learning. Much like what was done in societies with apprenticeships of old.

Summerhill in the UK is probably the pioneer in the Western world of the Humanist, student-centred approach.

Much to the irritation of many, it works- but you do have to pay.

It's generally very difficult to teach in a class setting with other students because of differing interests.

Well, the schedule is co-operatively decided by the students at Summehill; that is the root of the humanistic theory.

Actually I wish I was taught like that....Though many kids don't have any interests beyond tv and other type things, so it makes it hard to plan anything especially when girls only want to learn about mermaids and stuff....true story......How long can person learn about mermaids, and things associated with, but oh yes, you can go into the study of Oceans, and water timetables, geography and such....You just got to be creative

Well, again, the system there is that in the co-operative atmosphere, and guided by the older students who act as mentors, the students are encouraged to elect to learn about things that are useful, not just whatever fancy takes their liking.

Plenty of people thought it would fail completey, and indeed for a long time it was performing below standard, with its creator (who takes an equal voice in the council and was actually outvoted on decisions by his own pupils several times) having to mount defences of it by pointing out non-academic advantages his pupils got.

But the school's most recent Government inspection report was glowing about its achivements- as I say, much to the annoyance of many, it works.

But that's one fee-paying school; that doesn't mean it could work universally.