Re: Dangerous Ideas
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Dawkins this week starts a Channel 4 series in the UK where he argues that for the good of the planet, we must get rid of all religion...
You may say he's a dreamer, but he's not the only one. I hope some day people will join him, and the world will live as one...
I like the idea of proclaiming any idea that comes into our heads, but it could result in an awful lot of people walking around with watermelons on their heads as a means to cooling their brains so they could teleport on the ether airways. See what I mean?
You're right, no bad could come of this...Unless you count the Holocaust as one of those dangerous ideas.
It's not really a new concept though, is it? Philosophers, scientists and scholars have always shared - and acted upon - their 'dangerous' ideas. Without them, we wouldn't be where we are today. Where are we? Where were we? We were where? When? Whatever.
'The best ideas are common property.' - Seneca
This is a good thread. Nothing like some good, debatable, well thought out views to sink ones teeth into. Especially if they challange the status quo somewhat.
No More Teacher's Dirty Looks - Schools have problems I’ll admit. At the end of primary school (as it’s called in Australia, the first 6 years of school, before the next 6 years, High School) my parents went travelling, and me and my sisters went to, and were home schooled. And for me it was great. I thrived in the free-form environment,
reading, learning while at the same time living. It only lasted two years, but I loved it, then I returned to High School. Initially it was uncomfortable, constraining, being cooped up with so many people, some of who I didn’t like, a good number who I had no opinion of, the structure, one teacher shared amongst many. Bland curriculum. But still, very soon I enjoyed it to. It was able to educate me in area’s my parents weren’t, it offered social interaction, friends, opportunities, resources. I missed the freedom, and chafed at the occasional attempts made to insure people conformed and all. But still, I found it useful.
But I agree in principul - standardised curriculum, guidelines, constraints, homework - distractions. School has it’s problems, quite often for those who don’t learn how to think, who just master knowledge regurgitation, or for those who can’t handle pressure and stumble durring some pivitol test. School can be great, or it can scar and mark you and your life forever - you leave it with a permanant record, as it were, and it can shape a kids outlook forever. And don’t get me started on the detrimental effect of having a bad teacher (luckly I never had one). But I still don’t think complete removal of schools would achieve anything much better, as schools at the very least privide specialised teaching that would usually be unavailable from else where.
It’s admirable to say children should have a place “to go to learn how to do things that they are interested in learning how to do”, but it seems a bit impractical. It might sound insulting, but do children really know what they want? Is what they are interested in learning how to do actually going to be of any use? How many kids would happily line up for maths or other less popular studies if it wasn’t
compulsionary? Or English? What would kids be interested in learning how to do? Would they be able to think far enough ahead to plan what they need for the future? One of the reasons schools are the way they are is a. there are a lot of kids. b. there are a lot of possible careers available to the kids once they leave school. Ergo schools provide a wide, comprehensive schooling in order to establish the ground work for those multitude of future careers, later comes specilising. A lot of kids in my mathsclass complained about maths “why do we need to know this” they wailed. The fact was most didn’t need to know it, but Jimmy Smits did in order to become an accountant, Jenny Doe did in order to become a programmer and so on. They didn't always enjoy it at the time, lack of maturity, but eventually they chose careers in those areas. Chances are though if they'd had a choice at the time they might have avoided maths, but eventually they came to understand it, enjoy it, and decided that maths would be the basis of their future working lives.
So yes, I agree, schools need to do more to prepare pupils for life need to become more dynamic, more alive, more tailored for student learning. But I think there would be danger in becoming to free-form, to unregulated. And I don't think complete home-schooling is the answer either. For some it's great, but others not so.
Re: Re: Dangerous Ideas
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will live as one...
DevilKing1138: also, i wasn't aware of this, but you might be
DevilKing1138: comets are baby jesus flying through heaven?
DevilKing1138: it's all part of my new christian religion
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: i've been thinking that if i start one too
DevilKing1138: that maybe i can get rich
DevilKing1138: and since people will believe anything
DevilKing1138: why not just make this shit up myself
IMaSuperHottie2: you should incorporate hidden bible messages
IMaSuperHottie2: and jesus juice
IMaSuperHottie2: they love that
DevilKing1138: oh, i will
DevilKing1138: shrimp, deveined, can only be comsumed on holy days
DevilKing1138: it'll be like communion
DevilKing1138: otherwise, you have to eat teh ones with shit still in them
IMaSuperHottie2: haha
DevilKing1138: clean shrimp was invented by jesus
IMaSuperHottie2: what will your role in the religion be?
DevilKing1138: well, i will be the founder
DevilKing1138: and i will tell people that jesus visited ancient china and left secret messages written in stool
DevilKing1138: that, over the course of 2000 years
DevilKing1138: hardened into fossilized comandments
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: you can be a man
DevilKing1138: you were born emma smith
IMaSuperHottie2: i mean, the male equivalent of emma smith...
DevilKing1138: but baby jesus made you a man to further the religion
DevilKing1138: and show off his powers
IMaSuperHottie2: because jesus was gay
DevilKing1138: right
IMaSuperHottie2: so he made me a man
DevilKing1138: yes
DevilKing1138: but he made you out of his own shin bone
IMaSuperHottie2: so that the union would be sacred
IMaSuperHottie2: instead of that blasphemus male-female marriage
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: no, hetero relationships will be allowed, but only in churches and monataries
DevilKing1138: for the purpose of breeding
DevilKing1138: and then, only with 11 to 15 year old girls
IMaSuperHottie2: you better be careful
IMaSuperHottie2: they might actually go for that
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: i know
DevilKing1138: thats the beauty of my plan
DevilKing1138: lets see
DevilKing1138: what else?
DevilKing1138: um, i'll say there's a magical church ritual that will turn common potatoes into vodka
DevilKing1138: and grapes into wine
DevilKing1138: I will also outlaw teh use of the number one
DevilKing1138: and then institue smoke breaks into mass
IMaSuperHottie2: umm... doesn't vodka come from potatoes?
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: yes
DevilKing1138: but they're so stupid
DevilKing1138: they will think its magic
IMaSuperHottie2: what kind of smoke breaks?
DevilKing1138: whatever, as long as they're smoking
DevilKing1138: weed would be good
DevilKing1138: it'll get legalized due to religious practices
DevilKing1138: and then, everyone will look forward to communion time
IMaSuperHottie2: it sounds promising
DevilKing1138: indeed
IMaSuperHottie2: you need to create a scheme to make lots of money
IMaSuperHottie2: like those televangelists
DevilKing1138: oh yes
IMaSuperHottie2: you can create a jesus land
IMaSuperHottie2: or help 3rd world children
IMaSuperHottie2: or heal people
IMaSuperHottie2: some gimmic to make money
DevilKing1138: how about a magical vision from baby jesus
DevilKing1138: telling me that all grandmothers would die unless we paid him
IMaSuperHottie2: haha
DevilKing1138: and that he needed the cash
DevilKing1138: to pay off the devil
IMaSuperHottie2: and when some grandmothers do die, you can say it is because they didn't raise enough money
DevilKing1138: right
DevilKing1138: because the devil didn't get his cash
DevilKing1138: he took those grannies away
IMaSuperHottie2: do you have any hellfire and brimstone
IMaSuperHottie2: or anything like an apocalypse
IMaSuperHottie2: or a rapture?
DevilKing1138: oh yes,
DevilKing1138: the rapture will be the return of god to this part of the universe. You see, he left baby jesus in charge while he went on vacation
DevilKing1138: and said that some day, he would be born again on earth
DevilKing1138: and bring peace and marijuanna to all teh children of the Earth
Re: Re: Dangerous Ideas
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will live as one...
DevilKing1138: also, i wasn't aware of this, but you might be
DevilKing1138: did you know that comets are baby jesus flying through heaven?
IMaSuperHottie2: What?
DevilKing1138: yeah, it's all part of my new christian religion
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: i've been thinking that if i start one too
DevilKing1138: that maybe i can get rich
DevilKing1138: and since people will believe anything
DevilKing1138: why not just make this shit up myself
IMaSuperHottie2: you should incorporate hidden bible messages
IMaSuperHottie2: and jesus juice
IMaSuperHottie2: they love that
DevilKing1138: oh, i will
DevilKing1138: shrimp, deveined, can only be consumed on holy days
DevilKing1138: it'll be like communion
DevilKing1138: otherwise, you have to eat teh ones with shit still in them
IMaSuperHottie2: haha
DevilKing1138: clean shrimp was invented by jesus
IMaSuperHottie2: what will your role in the religion be?
DevilKing1138: well, i will be the founder
DevilKing1138: and i will tell people that jesus visited ancient china and left secret messages written in stool
DevilKing1138: that, over the course of 2000 years
DevilKing1138: hardened into fossilized comandments
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: you can be a man
DevilKing1138: you were born emma smith
IMaSuperHottie2: i mean, the male equivalent of emma smith...
DevilKing1138: but baby jesus made you a man to further the religion
DevilKing1138: and show off his powers
IMaSuperHottie2: because jesus was gay
DevilKing1138: right
IMaSuperHottie2: so he made me a man
DevilKing1138: yes
DevilKing1138: but he made you out of his own shin bone
IMaSuperHottie2: so that the union would be sacred
IMaSuperHottie2: instead of that blasphemus male-female marriage
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: no, hetero relationships will be allowed, but only in churches and monataries
DevilKing1138: for the purpose of breeding
DevilKing1138: and then, only with 11 to 15 year old girls
IMaSuperHottie2: you better be careful
IMaSuperHottie2: they might actually go for that
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: i know
DevilKing1138: thats the beauty of my plan
DevilKing1138: lets see
DevilKing1138: what else?
DevilKing1138: um, i'll say there's a magical church ritual that will turn common potatoes into vodka
DevilKing1138: and grapes into wine
DevilKing1138: I will also outlaw teh use of the number one
DevilKing1138: and then institue smoke breaks into mass
IMaSuperHottie2: umm... doesn't vodka come from potatoes?
IMaSuperHottie2: lol
DevilKing1138: yes
DevilKing1138: but they're so stupid
DevilKing1138: they will think its magic
IMaSuperHottie2: what kind of smoke breaks?
DevilKing1138: whatever, as long as they're smoking
DevilKing1138: weed would be good
DevilKing1138: it'll get legalized due to religious practices
DevilKing1138: and then, everyone will look forward to communion time
IMaSuperHottie2: it sounds promising
DevilKing1138: indeed
IMaSuperHottie2: you need to create a scheme to make lots of money
IMaSuperHottie2: like those televangelists
DevilKing1138: oh yes
IMaSuperHottie2: you can create a jesus land
IMaSuperHottie2: or help 3rd world children
IMaSuperHottie2: or heal people
IMaSuperHottie2: some gimmic to make money
DevilKing1138: how about a magical vision from baby jesus
DevilKing1138: telling me that all grandmothers would die unless we paid him
IMaSuperHottie2: haha
DevilKing1138: and that he needed the cash
DevilKing1138: to pay off the devil
IMaSuperHottie2: and when some grandmothers do die, you can say it is because they didn't raise enough money
DevilKing1138: right
DevilKing1138: because the devil didn't get his cash
DevilKing1138: he took those grannies away
IMaSuperHottie2: do you have any hellfire and brimstone
IMaSuperHottie2: or anything like an apocalypse
IMaSuperHottie2: or a rapture?
DevilKing1138: oh yes,
DevilKing1138: the rapture will be the return of god to this part of the universe. You see, he left baby jesus in charge while he went on vacation
DevilKing1138: and said that some day, he would be born again on earth
DevilKing1138: and bring peace and marijuanna to all teh children of the Earth
DevilKing1138: also, i wasn't aware of this, but you might be
DevilKing1138: did you know that comets are baby jesus flying through heaven?
Hahahahahah. I don't know why, but that's really funny for some reason. I laughed and gave myself a stitch.
I can just imagine two angels knocking back a couple of cold ones and deciding to go outside and have a bit of a throw of the baby Jesus, football style.
It's it's like like seeing seeing double double..
'Flying baby jesus comets' is my favorite idea. It's probably a dangerous idea too - for the baby Jesus', anyway...
The whole 'invent a religion' thing definitely works. Look at what it did for Scientology and Christianity! Ol' L. Ron Hubbard and Plato(?) must be mighty proud...
Originally posted by Lana
Capt, where on earth did you find that little gem of an AIM convo? That was probably one of the most amusing things I've ever read.
Courtesy of his profile:
MSN Instant Messenger Handle: [email protected]
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Courtesy of his profile:MSN Instant Messenger Handle: [email protected]
Actually, it was an AOL Instant Messenger conversation. How do I know?
Courtesy of my profile:
AOL Instant Messenger Handle: IMaSuperHottie2
😉
yes, that was a conversation between Adam and I.
As for the double post, i went back and edited a few spelling mistakes I had made due to the speed of the conversation, and when I hit the save changes button, it reposted it. I dunno?
It seemed relevant to what Ush & Ya Krunk'd Floo had been talking about...
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
yes, that was a conversation between Adam and I.As for the double post, i went back and edited a few spelling mistakes I had made due to the speed of the conversation, and when I hit the save changes button, it reposted it. I dunno?
It seemed relevant to what Ush & Ya Krunk'd Floo had been talking about...
Indeed. However, even if it is not relevant, it is damn funny. 😆