Is Secret Wars Beyonder the most powerful character ever created by Marvel?

Originally posted by id369
Thanos in “The End”, having HOTU, is by far to this date the Single most powerful being in the Marvel History. Its non-canon but to this point their hasn’t been anyone that has shown as much as Thanos has.

I dunno about that. Thanos did after all only destroy a universe. Whether he was the most powerful is debatable however feats wise thats not the most impressive thing any being has done in Marvel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dunno about that. Thanos did after all only destroy a universe. Whether he was the most powerful is debatable however feats wise thats not the most impressive thing any being has done in Marvel.

So merging with Eternity, Infinity and LT, taking down any Cosmic being that walked in its path, destroying and then re-creating the Universe is not the most impressive feat?

Then what is?

Originally posted by id369
So merging with Eternity, Infinity and LT, taking down any Cosmic being that walked in its path, destroying and then re-creating the Universe is not the most impressive feat?

Then what is?

Youre making it sound like a bigger feat than it is. Eternity and Infinity are abstracts, they are reflections of the universe. So by absorbing the universe he is absorbing them and vice versa. So Thanos absorbed the universe and LT before expelling them.

The Phoenix containing the power of the M'krann crystal is the most impressive feat. The M'kraan crsytal is a multiversal reset switch. When its power goes off all that is ceases to exist, not just a universe. Phoenix contained that power and then re-energised the lattice which formerly held it in check.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre making it sound like a bigger feat than it is. Eternity and Infinity are abstracts, they are reflections of the universe. So by absorbing the universe he is absorbing them and vice versa. So Thanos absorbed the universe and LT before expelling them.

The Phoenix containing the power of the M'krann crystal is the most impressive feat. The M'kraan crsytal is a multiversal reset switch. When its power goes off all that is ceases to exist, not just a universe. Phoenix contained that power and then re-energised the lattice which formerly held it in check.

Yet the Phoenix did not stop Thanos with HOTU.

Essentially didn’t Thanos with HOTU replace TOAA.

YO for realz my man thanos is hella powerful with HOTU.

Originally posted by id369
Yet the Phoenix did not stop Thanos with HOTU.

Essentially didn’t Thanos with HOTU replace TOAA.

Phoenix wasnt present for some unexplained reason however beings far less powerful than her were present and that point doesnt detract from her role in Marvel creation. Maybe it wasnt in the Phoenixes jurisdiction. I mean LT wasnt there on any occassion when the M'kraan crystal threatened not just the universe but the entire multiverse. However that doesnt change his role in Marvel does it? Both of them werent around when Scarlet Witches machinations potentially threatened the multiverse. See my point? Its all down to jurisdiction imo.

However i just believe containing the power of the M'kraan crystal is a more impressive feat than absorbing and expelling LT and a universe. But thats just my opinion. 😉

In secret wars II the beyonder said to have released the power of the multiverse times a few hundred times while thanos with THOTU was made TOAA so that TOAA would not have to die in order to fix the multiverse he dispersed all his power just rebuilding the multiverse while beyonder had the concentrated power of even more then one hundreds of multiverses actually.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix wasnt present for some unexplained reason however beings far less powerful than her were present and that point doesnt detract from her role in Marvel creation. Maybe it wasnt in the Phoenixes jurisdiction. I mean LT wasnt there on any occassion when the M'kraan crystal threatened not just the universe but the entire multiverse. However that doesnt change his role in Marvel does it? Both of them werent around when Scarlet Witches machinations potentially threatened the multiverse. See my point? Its all down to jurisdiction imo.

However i just believe containing the power of the M'kraan crystal is a more impressive feat than absorbing and expelling LT and a universe. But thats just my opinion. 😉

Then that’s just your own personal opinion. And in a sense a bias reason cus you’re a phoenix fan boy.

Originally posted by id369
Then that’s just your own personal opinion. And in a sense a bias reason cus you’re a phoenix fan boy.

Of course its my opinion as how can we accurately measure whats the most impressive feat? Your support for Thanos is just an opinion as well. Youre saying im a fanboy as if my opinion on the matter is ludicrous. Is containing the power of a multiversal reset switch not one helluva feat? If the answer is yes then you know my opinion is not just the delusions of a fanboy.

Originally posted by Mider
In secret wars II the beyonder said to have released the power of the multiverse times a few hundred times while thanos with THOTU was made TOAA so that TOAA would not have to die in order to fix the multiverse he dispersed all his power just rebuilding the multiverse while beyonder had the concentrated power of even more then one hundreds of multiverses actually.

I have both Secret Wars. Tell me where he said that and i'll post scans within the hour.

I dont recall him ever saying that.

As for Thanos in "The End" he was speculating about the nature of the power. He didnt know for certain. Nowhere is it stated by other beings or unbiased captions (bearing in mind they all took the form of Thanos' thoughts) that it was the supreme beings power.

As far as we know for definite it was a vast energy source he tapped into which gave him power enough to humble LT.

Ok so if I was to post who held the single greates feat in any comic by any cosmic character. I bet youd still say Phoenix.

Originally posted by id369
Ok so if I was to post who held the single greates feat in any comic by any cosmic character. I bet youd still say Phoenix.

Youre missing the point. Is that not one helluva feat? If the answers yes then im not just being a biased fanboy am i. Im giving a completely understandable answer.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre missing the point. Is that not one helluva feat? If the answers yes then im not just being a biased fanboy am i. Im giving a completely understandable answer.

Ok. cool

GS can you post some scans of secret wars when beyonder is doing or saying some cool stuff. I dont have the books cause i havent been to obtain them yet.

Thanos of titan is the strongest character ever created....period

Originally posted by King KAM
Thanos of titan is the strongest character ever created....period

My vote goes for Lucifer.

I think Akhenaten (the Pharaoh guy from MU: The End) is one of, if not THE most powerful beings ever in Marvel.

at that time in the 80s the beyonder was the most powerful, LT and TOAA were just fleeting characters at best, if they were even created yet[im not sure], but back in the early-to-mid 80s dark phoenix and galactus were top dogs in MU, then in secret wars, Doom stole beyonders powers and dusted galactus and left him for dead. so even if TOAA or LT out strips him, FOR THAT TIME as far as fully developed characters were concerned beyonder was the most powerful

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats cool. So there is actually a being called TOAA. Remains to be seen whether the being Odin was referring to is the actual supreme being. Have you an issue number? I'll post some scans within the hour.

Either way we're not disagreeing on the point that LT isnt conclusively Gods servant going just by his role and the vague comment made in Infinity Watch. 🙂

Nope, no issue number, it was an issue of Journey Into Mystery. It's oooooooold. I think he was also referenced by the Watchers as the "One on High" (as opposed to me, who they call "the One all High"😉.

I have no comment on who LT works for....I just know about it via rep, not via direct evidence.

I also question the statement that he released the power of several multiverses - how can you have the power of several MULTIVERSES when you were only a living UNIVERSE?

look whether we agree or not the fact remains that marvel went out of it's way to make the Beyonder seem like the most powerful entity/being whatever.
We all know because the entire Secret Wars series 1 and 2, especially 2 concentrates on displaying unlimited even ridiculous feats by the Beyonder.
Marvel realized after a while the Beyonder was becoming boring being "God" and all when sales began to drop, so they de-emphasized him hoping we would be able to relate a little more to him, but we didn't and so he was totally rearranged into this illusion having wacked out half cosmic cube on the behalf of bored cosmic entities with nothing better to do.
Personally I think it was a great creation, to suddenly awaken to have infinite power and not know what to do with it, it could be you it could be me, now that I we can all relate to.