Is Secret Wars Beyonder the most powerful character ever created by Marvel?

Originally posted by unknowable
look whether we agree or not the fact remains that marvel went out of it's way to make the Beyonder seem like the most powerful entity/being whatever.
We all know because the entire Secret Wars series 1 and 2, especially 2 concentrates on displaying unlimited even ridiculous feats by the Beyonder.
Marvel realized after a while the Beyonder was becoming boring being "God" and all when sales began to drop, so they de-emphasized him hoping we would be able to relate a little more to him, but we didn't and so he was totally rearranged into this illusion having wacked out half cosmic cube on the behalf of bored cosmic entities with nothing better to do.
Personally I think it was a great creation, to suddenly awaken to have infinite power and not know what to do with it, it could be you it could be me, now that I we can all relate to.

Its likely that he was created to be top of the food chain, i believe at the time it was even stated on panel.

The editors decided to link The Beyonder to pre-existing less powerful entities called The Beyonders who first appeared in Marvel two in one 63. They thought he was too powerful. So at the time he was written he was the most powerful character to appear in Marvel, but since then other characters/powers have appeared who have had more impressive showings on panel so its debatable whether hes the most powerful ever. However its an understandable opinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its likely that he was created to be top of the food chain, i believe at the time it was even stated on panel.

The editors decided to link The Beyonder to pre-existing less powerful entities called The Beyonders who first appeared in Marvel two in one 63. They thought he was too powerful. So at the time he was written he was the most powerful character to appear in Marvel, but since then other characters/powers have appeared who have had more impressive showings on panel so its debatable whether hes the most powerful ever. However its an understandable opinion.

I see, I knew they connected him to the Beyonders but I didn't know when, so you agree that at his conception he was the most powerful character in marvel? But we now understand that marvel has created characters that have even more power than the Beyonder had in the Secret Wars days, or atleast have demonstrated more power.

Originally posted by unknowable
I see, I knew they connected him to the Beyonders but I didn't know when, so you agree that at his conception he was the most powerful character in marvel? But we now understand that marvel has created characters that have even more power than the Beyonder had in the Secret Wars days, or atleast have demonstrated more power.

Yeah. Thats my view.

Originally posted by unknowable
I see, I knew they connected him to the Beyonders but I didn't know when, so you agree that at his conception he was the most powerful character in marvel? But we now understand that marvel has created characters that have even more power than the Beyonder had in the Secret Wars days, or atleast have demonstrated more power.

Such as ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Such as ?

Come on Yahman its not that hard. 🙁

Thanos with both the IG and HOTU has pulled off better feats than Beyonder, Phoenixes high end feats since then also outclass anything he did.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Come on Yahman its not that hard. 🙁

Thanos with both the IG and HOTU has pulled off better feats than Beyonder, Phoenixes high end feats since then also outclass anything he did.

You've named one character .... the other two are not sentient .... he clearly states characters in plural

Originally posted by Fishy 500
You've named one character .... the other two are not sentient .... he clearly states characters in plural

In hierarchies the likes of the IG and HOTU are regularly included on these forums. I was the one who started talking about other characters who have demonstrated better feats than Pre ret B since Secret Wars and Thanos in said two different circumstances is included. So you have the IG, HOTU and Phoenix. All three artifacts/power sources have given better on panel showings than Pre ret B did in the Secret Wars. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In hierarchies the likes of the IG and HOTU are regularly included on these forums. I was the one who started talking about other characters who have demonstrated better feats than Pre ret B since Secret Wars and Thanos in said two different circumstances is included. So you have the IG, HOTU and Phoenix. All three artifacts/power sources have given better on panel showings than Pre ret B did in the Secret Wars. 🙂

GS I gotta admit you know your chit.
By the way where do you get all those cool scans, are they downloadable somewhere or what?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
You've named one character .... the other two are not sentient .... he clearly states characters in plural

If your looking for a list of most powerfuls, I have a thread under Most Powerful Characters in the DC and Marvel Multiverse.
It's been researched and then constructed, most people agree with it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In hierarchies the likes of the IG and HOTU are regularly included on these forums. 🙂

But they are not characters. Stop bypassing the question ? Who else has shown power 'beyond' the beyonder (No pun intended) since the Secret wars ?

Mann any excuse to write the same stuff over and over again !

Originally posted by Fishy 500
But they are not characters. Stop bypassing the question ? Who else has shown power 'beyond' the beyonder (No pun intended) since the Secret wars ?

Mann any excuse to write the same stuff over and over again !

He made it plural because i did and i am including the IG and HOTU as well because they normally are in hierarchy threads. That really should be the end of this discussion.

Originally posted by unknowable
GS I gotta admit you know your chit.
By the way where do you get all those cool scans, are they downloadable somewhere or what?

Kind of you to say. Much appreciated. Hope my PM helped you out.

Originally posted by unknowable
GS I gotta admit you know your chit.

oh, yah, he's just full of chit . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, yah, he's just full of chit . . .

Knowledgeable chit. Lets get that clear!!! 😉

I don't agree, classic Beyonder was depowered because he was made to be
more powerful than everything combined, yes the multi-verse is what i'm talking about, as a matter of fact the on panel it states that the Beyonder was the sum total of a universe so vast that 616 universe was like a drop of water in an ocean in comparison, on panel.

So if this is a fact, how are people saying he's global scale or even universe scale, Beyonder was incalculably beyond that.

Originally posted by demigawd
Now pre-retcon Beyonder was powerful, but he still didn't have the power to destroy the universe. Even at his best, his power seemed limited to a single planet at a time.

He could - almost - do everything he wanted. He was so powerful no (cosmic) being could kill him without his permission. He "killed" Death and kicked Celestials around (yeah yeah I know about the illusions but I couldn't care less), he could make Galactus his slave, Eternity was afraid of him, Mephisto was afraid of him and so on...

Not exactly "at best, limited to a single planet "

Moving

Nope

TOAA is the boss of this multiverse but you all know there are other multiverses so please dont bring up that he is TOAA thus meaning he is above all and cannot lose cause that is not so and stupid, DC's presance had an equal called the dark beast, supposidly the brothers are his equal when combined even if they arent the dark beast is the only example i need. but yes the beyonder and i state from the comic book (secret wars 2) had power several hundred times that of the multiverse combined.

Originally posted by Mider
TOAA is the boss of this multiverse but you all know there are other multiverses so please dont bring up that he is TOAA thus meaning he is above all and cannot lose cause that is not so and stupid, DC's presance had an equal called the dark beast, supposidly the brothers are his equal when combined even if they arent the dark beast is the only example i need. but yes the beyonder and i state from the comic book (secret wars 2) had power several hundred times that of the multiverse combined.

So do you agree he was more powerful than the TOAA and the Presence aswell,
or do you think they where all equals as the great evil beast is too?

I completely agree with you because it's on panel and it's indisputable that he really was, at his conception, more powerful than many multi-verses combined,
and bottom line definately more powerful than the marvel multi-verse combined, that's what make it even crazier, not just more powerful than anyone in the marvel multi-verse, but even if you combined as one every single mortal, immortal, alien, cosmic, deity, abstract, demon upto even that which destroys and creates in the marvel multi-verse Phoenix, youd still have nothing next to the Beyonder.