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http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0702/wiccans.html
i just want you guys to check out this site. it's a christian site that crushed me, i swear.
Originally posted by padmeXskywalker
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This is off topic. 😄
Originally posted by Kella
I don't think women need to be in that position of power. We have other duties and obligations to perform. I'm not saying that as a sexist remark either. I know so many roll eyes at the Mormon religion, but in the structure of our church...women have an orginization called the Relief Society. We use this organization to learn how to better raise our children with the gospel, support our husbands in their callings, and we are very much about helping others in need and doing service projects which can range anywhere from volunteering to making dinner for one of the sisters in the church that is ill or just had a baby...or perhaps to bring meals and offer assistance to a family that has recently lost someone. Besides that, we have teachers who teach children's classes, young adult classes, and of course the Relief Society presidency and teachers, Sunday school, visiting teaching, putting together Enrichment Night activities, and often we speak in our sacrament meetings.
The women in our church play a huge role. The Relief Society is one of the greatest church women's societies in the world. With all the responisbility that the women in our church hold...I don't see why we should try to butt into the duties that the Lord called the men to do. That's just so much more work that we would have to add to our already full schedules.I don't know how other religions view women, but the LDS church holds women in very high esteem and I, nor the other women that I know in my area of the church have any desire to join the priesthood of our church. The men have to do something.
That is all nice, if you want to do these things.
However, I disagree - i would like the place of power - I don't want to none of those things - i dont want to cook, clean, look after children and support my husbend, while my ambitions are pout aside.
I wanna travel, have a good job, go out as a please and buy when and what i please. Once when the time for getting kids comes, then that will happen, but i will not give up my whole life and devote it to my kid and husband only.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And maybe it should be men making dinner, not the other way round. Actually that's practical as well, all the greatest chefs have been men... and all the worst Church leaders have also been men... and most of the worlds worst political leaders have also been men... I think it's clear. Men should cook, women should care for the spiritual well being of humanity.I like to think that some problems will be solved by that.
I can't cook, my fella can. That settles it ✅
Seriously though, you make a valid point.
Men should cook, women should care for the spiritual well being of humanity.
Mind if I put that line in my signature?
Originally posted by Kella
I don't think women need to be in that position of power. We have other duties and obligations to perform. I'm not saying that as a sexist remark either. I know so many roll eyes at the Mormon religion, but in the structure of our church...women have an orginization called the Relief Society. We use this organization to learn how to better raise our children with the gospel, support our husbands in their callings, and we are very much about helping others in need and doing service projects which can range anywhere from volunteering to making dinner for one of the sisters in the church that is ill or just had a baby...or perhaps to bring meals and offer assistance to a family that has recently lost someone. Besides that, we have teachers who teach children's classes, young adult classes, and of course the Relief Society presidency and teachers, Sunday school, visiting teaching, putting together Enrichment Night activities, and often we speak in our sacrament meetings.
The women in our church play a huge role. The Relief Society is one of the greatest church women's societies in the world. With all the responisbility that the women in our church hold...I don't see why we should try to butt into the duties that the Lord called the men to do. That's just so much more work that we would have to add to our already full schedules.I don't know how other religions view women, but the LDS church holds women in very high esteem and I, nor the other women that I know in my area of the church have any desire to join the priesthood of our church. The men have to do something.
Understandable, and I can see how this works for you and yours. But what of someone like me? Someone who perhaps does not want children, immediately removing all future prospects for themselves because they have decided not to reproduce. If you're happy to play shadow to your husband that's fine, but you seem entirely submissive and perfectly satisfied with that. Please don't be offended, I'm genuinely interested in how you feel about this, but can you tell me whether your views are actually your own or are they what your husband and church would want you to say?
Originally posted by Syren
I can't cook, my fella can. That settles it ✅Seriously though, you make a valid point.
Men should cook, women should care for the spiritual well being of humanity.
Mind if I put that line in my signature?
I am a fairly good cook...
When ever we say "men should... or women should..." we miss the mark. The difference between men and women are mostly in our heads. I am not saying that there are no differences, but that these differences do not qualify or disqualify anyone for any place in society. Or at least that is how I see it.
Paul the one that down played the importance of women and the churched just ate it up..All through out history there has been women priests or priestess. Women were considered magical impart because they could create life. Men could not. People didn't understand the mystery about it. The monthly blood flow was also thought to carry magic and was sacred...There were ceremonies done with it's use...The whole Mother goddess earth with it's fertile waters and lands were in most part part of the early beliefs in one form or another....These early beliefs had much respect for earth and its care unlike the church now also. In fact most christian believers don't care much about the earth stating that Jesus is going to come back and destroy the earth to make a new one in it's place, so why bother.
Originally posted by debbiejo
This Joan....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan
Though Joan Jett is way cooler. 😄
wallbash ohhhhhhhh I missed a "T" 😮
As I understand it, before organized and semiorganized religion, when "faiths" were naturalistic, women were very much in positions of power. This is because early societies saw the obvious, common thread between women and nature: reproduction.
When societies got bigger and competition for resources became more intense, war figured more prominantly, the value of male muscle increased. Thus, societies started to grow more patriarchial.
At some point, men started to fear women's superior sexual prowess, leading to further repression.
BTW, there is a prayer in Judaism in which man thanks God for "not making me a woman." While this is popularly interpreted as a put-down (man, thank God He didnt turn me into a broad), it is really an acknowledgment of the awesome responsibility women have in making a pious home and raising children while the man studies Torah.
In "Yentyl," when the Barbara Steisand character says to her father (a rabbi, I think; it's been a long time since I last saw the film), something to the effect of studying Torah is the most important thing a person can do, her father says, "Children! Children are the most important thing! Without children, there is no one to pass Torah onto."
God Bless women. Not just the best thing since sliced bread; there'd be no sliced bread if not for women!
Originally posted by Syren
Understandable, and I can see how this works for you and yours. But what of someone like me? Someone who perhaps does not want children, immediately removing all future prospects for themselves because they have decided not to reproduce. If you're happy to play shadow to your husband that's fine, but you seem entirely submissive and perfectly satisfied with that. Please don't be offended, I'm genuinely interested in how you feel about this, but can you tell me whether your views are actually your own or are they what your husband and church would want you to say?
Uhm...I am a 24 year old single woman. I am unable to have children. I am currently attending college to persue a PhD in Zoology/Animal Biology. I was abandoned by my father when I was 6 years old. And spent my life being raised by only my mother.
Am I submissive...never. Am I timid and reforming to my church...no...not really. Can you be LDS and a free woman...hell yes. I don't know what kind of guys you know...the guys I've known are normal, everyday guys...go to work, pay their bills, goof off with their friends, do really dumb things for attention, are obsessed with Xbox and the like, etc. If I should someday marry one, though I am not 100% that I want to get married...I would love and honor him and support (verbally, emotionally) him in his church callings as well as any other thing he does in his life...as I would expect him to do for me. My future career is extremely important to me. My education is extrememly important to me. So the man that is mean to be with me will have to also find these things important...as well as not really have a strong desire to want children.
The man that you choose to marry in the LDS church is the same as the man you choose to marry if you were any other religion. You have to marry someone that is right for you. So...my guy would be a good man and my partner and he would respect me and love me and I would hope that he was also a good man in the LDS church.
The LDS church does not hinder women from anything. Nor do the husbands in the church....no more than the men in the rest of the world. So please, now that you know a little of me...please don't think I'm a brainwashed Molly Mormon. I am very much a normal person. I have goals and ambitions. I have dreams that I intend to fulfill. It doesn't make me less of a person in anyone's eyes in the LDS church. Actually, the leaders of the church fully support education and following your dreams. They also hope that you choose to someday have a family, but are not ignorant that this is not always possible.
anyways...it's my views. I know the requirements of the priesthood in my church and I do not want their position. I like that there are men in those positions rather than women. I prefer the Relief Society and the friends and duties that I have there. I like helping others. Am I domestic...not really no. Are any of my friends at church domestic...no...again...not really. Are all of my friends in college pursuing their goals? Yes. Do any of them want the power of the Priesthood...no. Why? They're already too busy with the rest of life. Like I said....
the men have to have something to do.
Saying 'the men must have something to do' is no defence of a system that denies freedom of opportunity to all by arbitrarily assigning gender roles,- there is no choice in your system- and is certainly no defence of a system where all the true authority and control goes to the men.
I am sorry, but you are greatly stretching credulity by saying you are not submissive. By accepting that system you clearly are.
Any system which continues to deny freedom of opportunity to women is morally wrong.
Give good reasons why women should not hold positions of genuine power inside the Church. Why should a woman not lead the LDS church, for example? What actually makes that wrong?