who is better, vince carter or dwayne wade?

Better athletes maybe but i wouldnt say better players in general. Most of the truly gifted athletes nowadays cant hit a jumpshot consistently or make simple post moves.
MJ was the best ever imo not just because he was a superior athlete but he had the Fundamentals of the game down to an art. Fundamentals are the reason why little white dudes like Nash, Stockton and Price were able to dominate at times in a league full of way more athletic players.

Ok thats the end of my "old timer" rant, as you were. 😄

MJ also had a ton of talent, don't forget that. 🙂

I wont. 😉

Greg Oden has potential to dominate in a Shaq like manner. If he becomes an Olajuwon like player, what center in today's NBA could stop him?

Bynum! 😄 😇

Bynum is about... oh i'd say 3 or 10 years away from being any good. Oden could have come in out of high school and dominated most centers in the nba. Name a dominate center in the nba today... u can't. Shaq was the last one and he's old. Dwight Howard is going to dominate the game for years to come. But anyways original subject of Wade vs. Carter. Wade. and i'm not even going to explain myself. In 3 years... everyones gonna be like.. Vince who? Because D Wade and Lebron are going to dominate for about 15 years.

Originally posted by BloodyHell222
Bynum is about... oh i'd say 3 or 10 years away from being any good. Oden could have come in out of high school and dominated most centers in the nba. Name a dominate center in the nba today... u can't. Shaq was the last one and he's old. Dwight Howard is going to dominate the game for years to come. But anyways original subject of Wade vs. Carter. Wade. and i'm not even going to explain myself. In 3 years... everyones gonna be like.. Vince who? Because D Wade and Lebron are going to dominate for about 15 years.

Yes I can. Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
Yes I can. Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace.

oh wow, u truly don't know what your talking about.

I'll start off with Yao ming. Yao is 7 foot 5 inches tall, he has some good fundamentals but in no way shape or form is dominate, he's only averaged over 20 ppg in one season out of four. He cannot carry a team, ever. He's weak.

Tim Duncan.... easy enough, he's a power forward

Ben Wallace... also easy, he's a great defender but has no offensive game whatsoever. i love Big Ben, especially since he's on the Bulls now, but come on.. being a dominate player means u do it at both ends.. see Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing etc.

learn your positions and your players man, then come back at me with something.

Originally posted by BloodyHell222
oh wow, u truly don't know what your talking about.

I'll start off with Yao ming. Yao is 7 foot 5 inches tall, he has some good fundamentals but in no way shape or form is dominate, he's only averaged over 20 ppg in one season out of four. He cannot carry a team, ever. He's weak.

Tim Duncan.... easy enough, he's a power forward

Ben Wallace... also easy, he's a great defender but has no offensive game whatsoever. i love Big Ben, especially since he's on the Bulls now, but come on.. being a dominate player means u do it at both ends.. see Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing etc.

learn your positions and your players man, then come back at me with something.

First off, tim duncan is a PF/C, so it's valid calling him a center.

Second, how is Yao not a dominant center? yeah, he's 7 foot 5, but height doesn't take away from being a dominant center, we're not talking pound per pound. Yao is not as dominant as shaq was years in the past, but Yao still has a bright future and could be named one of the elite centers in history in the future. Dominant basically means that other teams have to constantly watch out for you, and if you leave yao one-on-one, he'll use a jump hook over you and make it 60% of the time. The key that makes yao dominant is his shooting ability. Shaq wasn't just dominant, he was unstoppable. But that doesnt mean that he's the only dominant center in the league.

Third, Ben Wallace is a dominant CENTER. Maybe not a dominant overall player, but the job of a center is to defend and rebound, which are both Ben's forte. You can't name many players who can dominate the boards like Big Ben, but if you were talking about dominant overall players, then i guess ben wouldn't fit, but dominant centers, no doubt.

so your saying because yao is going to get better in the future that makes him a dominant center today? also, he does not DOMINATE.. thats the key word, dominate. maybe one day, yes he may... but not now.

a dominate player posses' the ability to control both end of the floor, ben wallace does not do that.

tim duncan was a PF at Wake Forest and he was a PF when he came into the league and he's a PF now.. tell me.. what was David Robinson's position, Center. Tell me what was Rasho Nestorivic's position, Center. So you see i am right and you are wrong no matter what you argue with me about... and i'll tell you this, Tim Duncan is not the center of the Spurs this year either, he's the PF .. UMBERTO is the Center. so go run along home now and take you wooping gladly..

Originally posted by BloodyHell222
so your saying because yao is going to get better in the future that makes him a dominant center today? also, he does not DOMINATE.. thats the key word, dominate. maybe one day, yes he may... but not now.

a dominate player posses' the ability to control both end of the floor, ben wallace does not do that.

tim duncan was a PF at Wake Forest and he was a PF when he came into the league and he's a PF now.. tell me.. what was David Robinson's position, Center. Tell me what was Rasho Nestorivic's position, Center. So you see i am right and you are wrong no matter what you argue with me about... and i'll tell you this, Tim Duncan is not the center of the Spurs this year either, he's the PF .. UMBERTO is the Center. so go run along home now and take you wooping gladly..

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tim_duncan/index.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/fabricio_oberto/index.html

i think not

and wow, you're sad enough to say, "so go run along home now and take you wooping gladly.." you didn't prove ANYTHING to me. what whooping are we talking about?

oh yeah, and it's OBERTO, not UMBERTO, why don't YOU get the names right and come back to me with a plausible argument, buddy?

talking about the wooping i handed you twice... do i need to do it again... Tim Duncan may be listed as a Forward/Center.. i knew that already u dumbass.. i knew that before i began arguing with you about something so pointless and irrelevant, but your insisting upon being right about everything, if i was proved wrong i would gladly take it and commend you, but the fact is i'm not.

Tim Duncan is a true PF everyone knows that, despite whether or not he is listed as a PF/C officially, he played a PF with David Robinson, he played a PF with Rasho Nestorivich, and he's playing PF with Umberto. He never... never guards another Center.. he never defended shaq, he doesn't defend Dampier, or Yao, or Kurt Thomas or any other Center in the league. Next your gonna be telling me Amare Stoudemire and Kevin Garnett are Centers.. your dumb.. go away.

When they chose All NBA Teams, they pick two Forwards, two guards, and a center.... well here's this.

2002-2003 All NBA Teams

All-NBA Teams
First Team
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers-Center
Tracy McGrady, Orlando
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers

Second Team
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
Chris Webber, Sacramento
Ben Wallace, Detroit - Center
Jason Kidd, New Jersey
Allen Iverson, Philadelphia

I prove my point....

Yao Ming is nowhere close to being dominate. You can't be one of the softest players in the league, and dominate at the same time. If Yao was dominate, the Rockets would be way better than they are now.

Wow, how much of a moron are you? More than I thought. I said Tim Duncan is a power forward/center, as in he sometimes plays center and sometimes plays forward. If your highly difficient brain couldn't think of it, some players in the nba play different positions with respect to different teams, feel, etc. For example, Boris Diaw was NEVER listed as a center, but he plays center for the suns. I don't care if Duncan played Forward in college and is known to be a Power Forward. That's not my point, stop trying to false quote me, you idiot. I meant he plays center sometimes and therefore, you CAN call him a center. And Duncan never guarded shaq? 😑 ok, now I know where you stand.

and again, as i can see that your blind, it's OBERTO. My god, how retarded you are. I tell you clearly in my last post, and you say it wrong again, as if you didn't see it. Cough...loser.

Umberto Umberto Umberto.. ya know what your picking apart the wrong parts of my argument... Thats how they ****ing said it last night in the Spurs/Cavalier game so thats how i'm ****ing saying it... now go to hell.

Tim Duncan can be called a center i'll give you that... thats not what the argument was.. the argument was... Is he a DOMINANT CENTER. and no.. no he isn't. call me retarded go ahead. Doesn't bug me with my 3.7 gpa in a highly recognized college in a highly recognized program... so it doesn't bother me because I KNOW where i stand in that regard.

It is true that people play different positions while different groups are on the floor for certain teams... you are very right in that regard.. but see where i am coming from... will tim duncan go down in history as one of the best Centers in the game or one of the best.. if not the best Power Forward in the game... think about that for a little bit before you respond.

I also acknowledged before that i was aware that Duncan was a power forward/center.. so your previous statement of "I said Tim Duncan is a power forward/center, as in he sometimes plays center and sometimes plays forward" is unbelievably dumb, u keep repeating yourself even though i make new points every time i post a reply. please something new..... this is dumb .. on both our parts.

Tim Duncan is a Power Forward who plays center in certain situations. end of story.

As Danzeke said "Yao Ming is nowhere close to being dominate. You can't be one of the softest players in the league, and dominate at the same time. If Yao was dominate, the Rockets would be way better than they are now."

And i've made my case for Ben Wallace, love the guy, but not an overall Dominate Center.

If you wanna keep bitching about this.. go ahead, i consider the subject closed. I win, You lose.

how am I bitching about this? I gave some input, and you automatically call me dumb for saying it. YOU started the argument, and no you didn't win anything. you stick to your opinions, i'll stick to mine, period.

first off i didn't call you dumb at the start.. i told you that you didn't know what you were talking about... and after much thought.. much much thought.. i've realized that Ben Wallace is a dominate Center, just because of his defense... his defense is so overwhelmingly good he doesn't need a good offensive game.. but enough debate here... i started a new thread because i'm curious what other people think.. your opions are your opinions, although i believe them to be invalid.. i respect them nontheless. sorry for the dumb remarks.. but its my opinion that your dumb... so there it is.

and my opinion is that you're ignorant, but don't be so explicit next time. you'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

ignorant... do u even know the meaning of the word... how old are you 12, 13 years old.... Ignorance is the lack of knowledge or comprehension on a specified subject. So far i've shown nothing but the opposite, but ya know what i'm finally gonna end this... i'm done arguing with you about something i'm obviously so right about. you have your points, u made them well, but in the end a reasonable person would side with my side of the argument and thats all that matters. U can go ahead, reply to this, get your last word in, because i'm not arguing with such a stupid ass anymore

I think if I didn't know what ignorant meant, I wouldn't use it. Just a thought. Yes, you are indeed ignorant for not giving much insight on the argument you started. you basically said, "dominant centers need to be dominant on both ends," and that's it, while I showed you the role of an elite center and how each of the players I mentioned exemplified that role. While I actually gave facts, you merely said, "No, Na ah, your a dumbass, That's dumb, You're dumb, Go away, This is pointless." I can understand if you backup what you say and disagree with me. But to just insult me and dispute my case is not making you look any less ignorant. Unlike you, im find if people disagree with me, and I don't get a heart attack and explode. You, like you said in your quote, worry too much whether others will agree with you as you said "that's all that matters." So, I guess if the majority said you were a dumbass, you'd change your mind. You sound really smart. 🙄

It's humors me how eager you are to end the argument you started. It further convinces me that you aren't here to prove your point, but to simply insult people. nice way to spend your time.