Originally posted by Fire
we: as the whole world (or practically the whole world) in consensus is a position which might work. But will we (the world) be able to do it without leaving behind nothing but smoking rubble and a country which will A) end up being a dictatorship again, B) fall into chaos and civil war?
As GWB would say: "All that matters is that we tried your best"
In short the result is irrelevant especially when the Coalition wants war with Iran for various reasons.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Details on the hanging of Atefeh and the ridiculous nature of her trial can be found at the Amnesty International website.This piece of news has been reported in the same way in news outlets from Canada to Egypt, so I think attacking it as biased is a dead end- a lot of people have concerns ocer this one.
Saying other countries did worse in the past is a. no excuse and b. irrelevant- morals on a GLOBAL scale have moved on since then and this is plain immorality in a situation where it need not exist except for the deliberate efforts of evil people to keep parts of the Middle East this way.
well said.
Anyway, Amnesty Interntaional is a great source for these kind of triels, as well as honour killingsn. I get a monthly magazine, since I give £5 a month to the Amnesty International, and there are occurances like this one, happening over and over and over again.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
well said.Anyway, Amnesty Interntaional is a great source for these kind of triels, as well as honour killingsn. I get a monthly magazine, since I give £5 a month to the Amnesty International, and there are occurances like this one, happening over and over and over again.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Details on the hanging of Atefeh and the ridiculous nature of her trial can be found at the Amnesty International website.This piece of news has been reported in the same way in news outlets from Canada to Egypt, so I think attacking it as biased is a dead end- a lot of people have concerns ocer this one.
scuse me sir, but the article is about Nazanin not Atefeh. I have googled Nazanin to find alternative sources, yet my search has proved negative.
True, Iran hangs Men for Homosexuality, Men for raping Men and Men for raping women.
It also hangs underaged for murder, and advocates Judicary Rape. It is a sick country, regardless of human rights, but lets not mix up scenarios.
For now, i seem to have found nothing on Amnesty International speaking up for this girl. Is there a page for this case ?
Originally posted by silver_tearsNah.. The losing virginity before marriage certainly was already reason for death but I can't confirm if this is legal in Iran.
You can lose your virginity so to speak without having sex, horse back riding is one way, and there are others, so them having sex before marriage might not always be the case, yet they are sentenced to die for it.If this story is true, it's a disgusting world some people have to live and die in when a women is sentenced to death for defending herself and her niece against a would be rapist.
However I do know that it is already legal to give girls the death sentence if they're 9 years old and with boys it is 15.
Death punishment is (I believe..) sentenced for rape, killing, cheating on your husband, having sex with animals/people of the same sex etc..
No exceptions.
Originally posted by GCG
scuse me sir, but the article is about Nazanin not Atefeh. I have googled Nazanin to find alternative sources, yet my search has proved negative.True, Iran hangs Men for Homosexuality, Men for raping Men and Men for raping women.
It also hangs underaged for murder, and advocates Judicary Rape. It is a sick country, regardless of human rights, but lets not mix up scenarios.For now, i seem to have found nothing on Amnesty International speaking up for this girl. Is there a page for this case ?
People were casting doubt on the mis-trial she received, so I highlighted that point that this is a very genuine case.
The rest of my reply was about Nanzanin, and so I suggest you look harder, because as I say, it has been reported with equal weight from places like Canada and Egypt (and Egypt gets things censored, so it passed official muster there).
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Its my view that these countries have only just started. In the time line of things they act very similar to our countries time ago. When we did some truely horrific things. However as our countries have grown and started to wise up, these countries have only just taken power for themselfs. There views are very similar to our along time ago...Its my belief that these peoples views are still like the middle ages, and with time will grow to band these actions. I mean this in no disrespectful way.
hahahaha, brilliant.
The Middle East has been this way for centuries. Who do you think the Cursades were against? And as a result of the Crusades we(Western countries) have what you'd call modern math. Hundreds of years ago, the middle eastern countries werew WAY more advanced then Europe was.
It's not that they are just starting, it's been that way since forever, and it's going to stay that way until they have an organized revolution.
In fact, I see a google search on the name will give you plenty of sources now.
However, it is all based from the same article from that Iranian newspaper, so if that article is not true, then none of it is.
Hard to imagine why it would lie, though, and it seems unlikely anyone is making the article up. It would be easy for news agencies to check.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
In fact, I see a google search on the name will give you plenty of sources now.However, it is all based from the same article from that Iranian newspaper, so if that article is not true, then none of it is.
Hard to imagine why it would lie, though, and it seems unlikely anyone is making the article up. It would be easy for news agencies to check.
Agreed, It's almost certainly genuine.
the middle east is one of those places where you have a very profound example why there should be a separtaion of churc and state. you see now that i think about it bush is a genius, he's merely using Iraq as a staging ground for future invasions in the middle east. and it been rumored that Iran is next.. we knw that the next presidency is gonna be handed over to another republican so i say whoa! lets jut kill em all and get it over with.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
hahahaha, brilliant.The Middle East has been this way for centuries. Who do you think the Cursades were against? And as a result of the Crusades we(Western countries) have what you'd call modern math. Hundreds of years ago, the middle eastern countries werew WAY more advanced then Europe was.
It's not that they are just starting, it's been that way since forever, and it's going to stay that way until they have an organized revolution.
I agree... They were very advanced.. But then it stopped? why didn't they create the first computer/plane/nuke/great technology???
i think there has been a misunderstanding of sorts.. very few (if any) myself included really questioned teh VALIDITY of the story, only the unprofessional & biased manner in which it was reported.
Its not like I condone the way alot of middle eastern women are treated.. quite the contrary in fact.. but I am also disgusted with 'news' organizations putting their own spin on a 'news story'.. if its reported as news it should be just facts withoput exposition.. if they want to publicize it as an editorial piece then more power to them but IMO there is a very distinct and important difference.
if there are in fact other links about this specific case I would like to see them.. just for my own personal knowledge.. but I havent had much luck either.. so any specific links rather than 'just google it' would be most helpful..
i was watching this piece on link TV, just two days ago about an Iranian film maker who was being trheatened with execution becuase he made two films in the mid 90's that depicted the harsh lives of the women. so i sorta kinda believe it unquestionably. on a side note tho, the west stole algebra from them after all, so they are in advertaently responsible for a lot of the modern world's advances...since the world would be nothing without algebra.....think about it *dramatically points to own temple*