Originally posted by Fishy
Pwned... I think there are many that he could beat and many that could beat him. Amongst the Sith he would rank amongst the highest, and he could very well be the best lightsaber fighter. Even better then somebody like Tulak Hord... Who was damned good from all we know.
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Teh list o' Sith!1- Marka friggin' Ragnos
2- Simus
3- Naga Sadow
4- Ajunta Pall/Tulak/Ludo Kressh (this is a hazy line here. Can't directly compare them)
5- Freedan Nadd
6- Teh Kun
7- Nihilus (Note that this is based on Force mastery and potential, not his uber ability)
8- Traya
9- Revan
10- Malak
Janus... Nihilus would have the same power of the Xile, now unless you want to claim that the Exile is more powerful then Kreia Revan and Malak, I would remove him from that list..
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Teh list o' Sith!1- Marka friggin' Ragnos
2- Simus
3- Naga Sadow
4- Ajunta Pall/Tulak/Ludo Kressh (this is a hazy line here. Can't directly compare them)
5- Freedan Nadd
6- Teh Kun
7- Nihilus (Note that this is based on Force mastery and potential, not his uber ability)
8- Traya
9- Revan
10- Malak
Let me go over this again...
1- Marka Ragnos is THE Dark Lord of the Sith. He pwned Simus and kept hordes of Sith under his heel for over a century. His implied level of power is amazing.
2- Simus lorded over the Sith before Ragnos came along. Able to keep himself alive as a mere head, he was still awarded respect on the Sith council.
3- Naga Sadow had more force toys than anyone in the series, and considering he was unique in having them it wouldn't be a far stretch to think he created them. After all, he knew their upper limits. He understood what he was doing with them.
4- All of these guys are quite esteemed and powerful, but I can't fit them properly into the order with what I know, so they all tie for fourth.
5- He was notable for his force potential, and his accomplishmentsare nice. I rank him above Exar Kun in Force mastery because Nadd was a Sith (Or wannabe sith) for many years, while Kun was briefly a DLOTS.
6- Kun is uber. I don't have to really get into this one.
7- Nihilus toyed with Kreia and Sion, despite Kreia being very powerful. He also enslaved his entire crew, kept the Ravager together using his own will, etc. etc. And no, Fishy, the Exile does not equal the power of Nihilus. Nihilus' powers were refined. He was a Sith Lord and a creature created of the Force. They are not comparable, unless you want to explain to me why Nihilus is eight feet tall and the Exile six.
8- Traya. Nuff said.
9- Actually, I'd like to change this one to DE Sidious.
10- Revan.
About Nihilus, he might be different then the Exile this is true, but the basics of Nihilus could never be more powerful then Revan, as when Nihilus was first created without anything to eat he was based on the Exile who wans't more powerful then Revan.
also all those things he did, he did by eating the force or using the power he got from eating. Nihilus without his eating ability is nothing really.
If we count this Nihilus as the same as Exile, who is really just a mediocre Jedi General serving under Revan, he doesn't come too high, possibly at the end of this list if you were running short of ideas and ideas.
I agree with what you said about Ragnos Janus, but don't forget that the Sith Empire didn't actually expand under his rule, although this would not mattter in any given duel.
Geez, things have changed around here. Revan used to be revered as a God, now look at him!
I think this can be done quite fast. Kreia, who herself might be the most notorious "Revan fangirl" there is was saying that the entirety of the Ancient Sith would make people from her time (including Revan and herself) look like children when it comes to fighting ability or force knowledge.
Therefore the following people are above Revan:
Ragnos, Simus, Sadow, Kressh, Tulak Hord
The following might be able to defeat Revan:
Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, DE Sidious, Kreia herself, the Exile, NJO Luke, Yoda, Nihilus (drain ability).
So I'd say that Revan himself is not among the "Top 10 force users ever".
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Let me go over this again...1- Marka Ragnos is THE Dark Lord of the Sith. He pwned Simus and kept hordes of Sith under his heel for over a century. His implied level of power is amazing.
2- Simus lorded over the Sith before Ragnos came along. Able to keep himself alive as a mere head, he was still awarded respect on the Sith council.
3- Naga Sadow had more force toys than anyone in the series, and considering he was unique in having them it wouldn't be a far stretch to think he created them. After all, he knew their upper limits. He understood what he was doing with them.
4- All of these guys are quite esteemed and powerful, but I can't fit them properly into the order with what I know, so they all tie for fourth.
5- He was notable for his force potential, and his accomplishmentsare nice. I rank him above Exar Kun in Force mastery because Nadd was a Sith (Or wannabe sith) for many years, while Kun was briefly a DLOTS.
6- Kun is uber. I don't have to really get into this one.
7- Nihilus toyed with Kreia and Sion, despite Kreia being very powerful. He also enslaved his entire crew, kept the Ravager together using his own will, etc. etc. And no, Fishy, the Exile does not equal the power of Nihilus. Nihilus' powers were refined. He was a Sith Lord and a creature created of the Force. They are not comparable, unless you want to explain to me why Nihilus is eight feet tall and the Exile six.
8- Traya. Nuff said.
9- Actually, I'd like to change this one to DE Sidious.
10- Revan.
Nihilus was one of the most powerful "force users", quite possibly in a better rank on that list. Where is it said that Nihilus is created purely of the force? Isn't Yoda one of the strongest in knowledge, and use of the force?
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Because he was created of the Exile's force essence at Malachor. He grew in strength as he ate, because his hunger is insatiable.