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Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Let me go over this again...1- Marka Ragnos is THE Dark Lord of the Sith. He pwned Simus and kept hordes of Sith under his heel for over a century. His implied level of power is amazing.
2- Simus lorded over the Sith before Ragnos came along. Able to keep himself alive as a mere head, he was still awarded respect on the Sith council.
3- Naga Sadow had more force toys than anyone in the series, and considering he was unique in having them it wouldn't be a far stretch to think he created them. After all, he knew their upper limits. He understood what he was doing with them.
4- All of these guys are quite esteemed and powerful, but I can't fit them properly into the order with what I know, so they all tie for fourth.
5- He was notable for his force potential, and his accomplishmentsare nice. I rank him above Exar Kun in Force mastery because Nadd was a Sith (Or wannabe sith) for many years, while Kun was briefly a DLOTS.
6- Kun is uber. I don't have to really get into this one.
7- Nihilus toyed with Kreia and Sion, despite Kreia being very powerful. He also enslaved his entire crew, kept the Ravager together using his own will, etc. etc. And no, Fishy, the Exile does not equal the power of Nihilus. Nihilus' powers were refined. He was a Sith Lord and a creature created of the Force. They are not comparable, unless you want to explain to me why Nihilus is eight feet tall and the Exile six.
8- Traya. Nuff said.
9- Actually, I'd like to change this one to DE Sidious.
10- Revan.
1. Ragnos belongs close to, or near to
2. Simus was shown to be strong there, that's true....however, seriously, top ten? He got killed in a low scale ambush...and Ragnos mostly allowed him on the council to drive the point home of what he'd lost.
3. Naga's weaponry was not unique to him. All of his unique toys were created with force sensitive crystals....he was also an exceptional fool and shown to be not very strong when he wasn't using his toys-when you can't overcome Ludo Kressh in a duel, respect goes down...I can't see Sadow comparing to NJO Luke, DE Sidious....or any of the Dark Lords before him
4. Ludo...? We also don't know much about Ajunta or Tulak...
5. Nadd above DE Sidious? Above Exar Kun? when was Nadd shown to be powerful? Nadd was a self declared Dark Lord with no opposition minus a bunch of primitive exiles who should not have given him a hard time with his forces...he never 'conquered' Onderon either...he imrpessed the natives with the Dark Side, they revered him and he had them build Iziz while fending off the beasts for them
6. Yes, Kun's good....overrated beyond belief, but good-it's the ponytail, always the ponytail...
7. Nihilius's power wasn't something he could rule: He was a shell of a being ruled by the hunger.
8. Yeah, tRaya's good....but I don't see her above Revan.
9. I really don't think DE Sidious should be so low...his feats of power in the DE trilogy are nothing short of amazing, and he was personally invited to join the other Sith on Korriban-an honor not given since Marka. The DE sourcebook describes him as the strongest Sith who ever lived, and unlike the ancient Sith, he achieved what he did without any use of force items in the use.
10. Yeah, this works ok for Revan...maybe some reworking, but eh
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Eh... that doesn't make any sense and there's no support for it, Fishy. Nihilus > Revan. If Revan > Nihilus, he would have killed it himself.
And how would he have done that? I mean from all we know Nihilus > all except for the Exile... who pwns very few... It doesn't work with Nihilus..
Nihilus pwned Kreia without using his force drain. He also pwned Sion.
Kreia Pwns sion.
Kreia Pwns three jedi masters before she even used the force drain.
Nihilus > Kreia > three jedi masters.
Now, are you going to tell me with the proof we have that Revan's FORCE MASTERY outstrips either of those two? No. It may very well be the case, but we don't have anything to suggest it. Canonically, he has force choked, and that's it.
You honestly believe that Nihilus could have defeated her with a normal force push? Kreia was freaking amazing with the force, a push would not have helped.
And its very clear that she means Nihilus his attack when she says that, the only reason she says that is to show the power Nihilus had. The power he used to cast her down. Power against which there is no defence.
And indeed the force was stripped from her, why would Nihilus waste time doing that? Why not juts eat it, with Kreia being as powerful as she was. Why would Nihilus ever fight without his technique? He has no real reason for it.
Originally posted by Fishy
You honestly believe that Nihilus could have defeated her with a normal force push? Kreia was freaking amazing with the force, a push would not have helped.And its very clear that she means Nihilus his attack when she says that, the only reason she says that is to show the power Nihilus had. The power he used to cast her down. Power against which there is no defence.
And indeed the force was stripped from her, why would Nihilus waste time doing that? Why not juts eat it, with Kreia being as powerful as she was. Why would Nihilus ever fight without his technique? He has no real reason for it.
Originally posted by Fishy
You honestly believe that Nihilus could have defeated her with a normal force push? Kreia was freaking amazing with the force, a push would not have helped.And its very clear that she means Nihilus his attack when she says that, the only reason she says that is to show the power Nihilus had. The power he used to cast her down. Power against which there is no defence.
And indeed the force was stripped from her, why would Nihilus waste time doing that? Why not juts eat it, with Kreia being as powerful as she was. Why would Nihilus ever fight without his technique? He has no real reason for it.
The problem is, you have no proof that it was anything other than a normal force push. Yes Kreia was an impressive force user, but Nihilus was simply stronger.
And as far as calling her lightsaber goes, she may have amazing mastery of the force, but she's still a women in her 60-70's, getting thrown into a solid wall with any amount of force is going to take quite a bit out of her.