Re: Problems with Debating in the "Comic Book 'Versus' Forum"
Originally posted by Adam_PoEActually the best debates in the comic versus forums tend to get EXTREMELY technical, and branch into many forms of science, however alot of threads go into flame wars, or fanboys on a prowl.
[list][*]While it is often necessary to exercise the principle of charity to enjoy a work of fiction, e.g. that a character has a particular ability, the work itself must adhere to the principle of fidelity, e.g. it must be contextually faithful to the mechanism attributed to the ability of the character.In other words, it is reasonable to believe that Storm can fly by controlling weather patterns with her mind, but it is not reasonable to believe that she can fly while she is unconcious, or in a vaccum.
[*]Comparing characters from different Universes is like comparing fractions with different denominators; for it to be possible, one must find the least common denominator.[/list]
Most threads in this forum degenerate into "[insert character] is the best!!!1111!"
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Yes it is, I think the GDF also has the biggest egos.
I dunno, I would disagree with that. The Comic VS forum seems to have a lot of members with a laughably large ego, and seeing the caliber of discussions that go on in that forum.....well, most of them are really misplaced.
But yeah, a lot of GDF folk do have a big ego.
Re: Re: Problems with Debating in the "Comic Book 'Versus' Forum"
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually the best debates in the comic versus forums tend to get EXTREMELY technical
That's often to their detriment I feel. It's often a case of thinking so far laterally that you fall off the side of the debate.
Originally posted by BackFire
I dunno, I would disagree with that. The Comic VS forum seems to have a lot of members with a laughably large ego, and seeing the caliber of discussions that go on in that forum.....well, most of them are really misplaced.But yeah, a lot of GDF folk do have a big ego.
I personally believe that nothing said on here really matters at all, even less in the real world. I guess that's why at times I behave like a prick because It means nothing to me, I forget it can mean a lot to others. Don't get me wroing I enjoy it - I just know it's not real.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wisdom, is how you use the water.
Exactly. My point being that those you named, however knowledgeable, don't use the water too well.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wholeheartedly agree, infact I would even go so far as to say you have more intellligence at a younger age, but wisdom lets you adapt, hence children learning foreign languages at a young age, etc.
Yes. So then the VS forum has knowledgeable members. Not necessarily intelligent ones.
As stated above, the over-application of "Look I know this!" is dumb. Ok great, I'm sure you'll get A+'s all over the place. Now if you'd be so kind as to tell me why that's relevant in a thread about why Spider-Man would beat Wolverine, I'll be delighted.
I was never that technical with my posts, I just got to the point. This ended up being one of the reasons that people said I WASN'T a good debator, oddly. Instead of going "Wait, this doesn't actually matter in a comic." People often choose "Ooooh he/she knows stuff about stuff."
-AC
Re: Re: Re: Problems with Debating in the "Comic Book 'Versus' Forum"
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's often to their detriment I feel. It's often a case of thinking so far laterally that you fall off the side of the debate.
I think that happens sometimes, I would love a general vs forum where you could do things like pit a Culture GSV against the Star Wars Empire etc.
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think that happens sometimes, I wouldd love a general vs forum where you could do things like pit a Culture GSV against the Star Wars Empire etc.
People try and dump stuff like that in the Video Game VS. forum all the time, crying "so-and-so was in a game once!" and then get pissy at me for closing the thread because it doesn't follow the rules 🙄
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, so all that knowledge and the man can't navigate a forum? Forgive me for being a tad pessimistic. Science and psychology can be learned. I know many very, very booksmart people. Real intelligence can't be taught.
lol. I can navigate the website just fine (see?). I'm just not inclined to. Big difference.
Having knowledge makes you knowledgeable. Not intelligent. BIG, huge difference.
Indeed. I consider myself blessed to be both.
Carry on.
Originally posted by Lana
People try and dump stuff like that in the Video Game VS. forum all the time, crying "so-and-so was in a game once!" and then get pissy at me for closing the thread because it doesn't follow the rules 🙄
Yes but I don't think Iain Banks Culture has ever been in a video game, surely opening such a forum would stop that.
Well here's my thing, intelligence is the minds basic ability to adapt . That being said, it is quite difficult to be extremely knowledgeable in multiple subjects, if you are not blessed with mental dexterity.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. My point being that those you named, however knowledgeable, don't use the water too well.
I'll speak for Creshosk, yes he DOES avoid questions, and he DOES put words in your mouth, but he has a deep rooted mind in many fields, and adapts well, when he's not pushed against a wall, if he IS pushed against a wall, he pulls out his bag of tricks.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes. So then the VS forum has knowledgeable members. Not necessarily intelligent ones.
Of course I'm speaking of a handful.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As stated above, the over-application of "Look I know this!" is dumb. Ok great, I'm sure you'll get A+'s all over the place. Now if you'd be so kind as to tell me why that's relevant in a thread about why Spider-Man would beat Wolverine, I'll be delighted.
I tend to get bitten for being technical like that, but the place is a forum, not a comic book. Sure, its based off of comic books, but it has rules that apply.
If spiderman has a webbing tensile strength of 120lbs per millimeter, then wolverine should be physically incapable of breaking it...
Same with wolverine lifting only 800 lbs, but he can pierce the hulk, I'll go into "logic mode" and counter it, because you can't debate without logic.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I was never that technical with my posts, I just got to the point. This ended up being one of the reasons that people said I WASN'T a good debator, oddly. Instead of going "Wait, this doesn't actually matter in a comic." People often choose "Ooooh he/she knows stuff about stuff."-AC
The complaints I've gotten where not that you couldn't debate, as people thought you were excellent, but rather... that you didn't read comics. 😬
Originally posted by demigawd
Indeed. I consider myself blessed to be both.Carry on.
I know YOU do, I never doubted that for a second. What's your point? My point is that until you prove to be either, I'll consider you neither. Which is what you have proved, ironically.
You know your Magneto science. I'm sure Einstein is throwing a party. You know your non-existant real world to comic book science comparison. Let me just put my drink down so I can applaud.
-AC
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well here's my thing, intelligence is the minds basic ability to adapt . That being said, it is quite difficult to be extremely knowledgeable in multiple subjects, if you are not blessed with mental dexterity.
Not entirely true. I know many people who can't discuss anything above sports, yet do great in school.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'll speak for Creshosk, yes he DOES avoid questions, and he DOES put words in your mouth, but he has a deep rooted mind in many fields, and adapts well, when he's not pushed against a wall, if he IS pushed against a wall, he pulls out his bag of tricks.
Exactly. Not intelligent OR good at debating then.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I tend to get bitten for being technical like that, but the place is a forum, not a comic book. Sure, its based off of comic books, but it has rules that apply.
Set by who? Members of that same forum who strive to add stipulations purely so they can win their debates for their characters.
There were no "rules" when I joined and it was a lot more fun. As soon as the science club came in, it sapped the fun from that forum.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If spiderman has a webbing tensile strength of 120lbs per millimeter, then wolverine should be physically incapable of breaking it...
If Spider-Man and Wolverine are both comic characters, why the f*ck does that even matter? For goodness sake man, you're talking about TENSILE STRENGTH in a COMIC BOOK FIGHT.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Same with wolverine lifting only 800 lbs, but he can pierce the hulk, I'll go into "logic mode" and counter it, because you can't debate without logic.The complaints I've gotten where not that you couldn't debate, as people thought you were excellent, but rather... that you didn't read comics. 😬
Most of that forum has gone to shit BECAUSE of the rules. On the last note, yes. I'm sure my love of comics and indeed my reading of them is now questionable, because people on the net don't like how I debate.
Forgive me for not applying real life science theories to my comic book debates, I guess that means I don't read them. Half the people who complain, say this: "AC's good. He knows how to get right to the point but he never gets technical." The day I start using Spider-Man's tensile strength in a debate is the day I become stupid.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know YOU do, I never doubted that for a second. What's your point? My point is that until you prove to be either, I'll consider you neither. Which is what you have proved, ironically.You know your Magneto science. I'm sure Einstein is throwing a party. You know your non-existant real world to comic book science comparison. Let me just put my drink down so I can applaud.
-AC
As usual a pointless response. I don't need to prove my intelligence OR knowledge to you.
But I see you're still a little sore from all the whippings you got from me and you STILL feel the need to bring me up and trash me in some attempt to take away my credibility. A bit sad, really, considering I never give YOU a second thought. 😄
Bye now!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not entirely true. I know many people who can't discuss anything above sports, yet do great in school.
I'm talking about being knowledgable to the point of being practical, and applicable.
Doing good in school has about 5% to do with intelligence, and mostly about drive, and discipline.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. Not intelligent OR good at debating then.
Thats not what I said.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Set by who? Members of that same forum who strive to add stipulations purely so they can win their debates for their characters.There were no "rules" when I joined and it was a lot more fun. As soon as the science club came in, it sapped the fun from that forum.
They were set there because people do and still do say things like, "wolverine beat lobo, so he can beat the hulk".
Well did wolverine beat lobo? Yes, but would we consider that practical?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If Spider-Man and Wolverine are both comic characters, why the f*ck does that even matter? For goodness sake man, you're talking about TENSILE STRENGTH in a COMIC BOOK FIGHT.
Because a disagreement without any reason is simply a dispute.
"Spiderman can web wolverine"
"No he can't"
"Yes he can"
A dispute.
"Spiderman can web wolverine because his webbing is faster, AND stronger than wolverine"
"Wolverine is stronger than the webbing"
"So you are saying that wolverine can break out of something with 120,000 lb per METER tensile strength?"
An argument, since an argument has a supporting thesis to its premise, which leads to a debate.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI think its shit because of the members that have no self control, and spam the forum with shit threads, and ignorance.
Most of that forum has gone to shit BECAUSE of the rules.-AC
Originally posted by demigawd
As usual a pointless response. I don't need to prove my intelligence OR knowledge to you.
Yet I, miraculously, have to prove my knowledge and love of comics or else I either don't read them, or can't debate?
Irony is good. Hypocricy isn't.
Originally posted by demigawd
But I see you're still a little sore from all the whippings you got from me and you STILL feel the need to bring me up and trash me in some attempt to take away my credibility. A bit sad, really, considering I never give YOU a second thought. 😄Bye now!
Ironically you deny giving me a second thought but I'm still spoke about on that forum frequently, to one degree or another. You're unknown here and the only reason I even mentioned you was because it was on topic and I was questioned by someone about a false occurance. That occurance being your CONTINUAL claims to have driven me from the forum. So do you see where I'm going? Or do I need to explain a theory? I'm not so insecure enough to claim the whippings, you apparantly are, despite them never happening.
So before you venture out of the forum full of idiots that you now "rule", think first. Apply some science to it maybe.
Hahahaha, "I'm not part of a clique." Says the guy who at first claimed "Real men don't use sigs" and now has a quote of "sexiness" from his one running buddy. Oh the irony is killing me.
-AC