Police - Service or Force?

Originally posted by botankus
Yeah, this is a problem for people in small towns. I knew some guy who got pulled just for speeding and BOOM - five cop cars are surrounding him. In a small town, everyone knows everybody. He felt that if someone drove by and saw his truck surrounded by five cop cars, they'd all think he had committed a major crime.

😑 ok Ive come to the conclusion that my posts must be in invisible ink or something since I just said that. 😖

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
In the last town I lived we had one cop and we literally called him Barney Fife because of his actions. 😂 Where I live now they are just a joke. They aren't abusive or anything but these dummies will take 5 cars, sirens screaming to a car backing into a post accident.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What do you think your Police's job is - in your country - to keep the peace or catch the criminals? Both?

Can they do this without excessive force?

"excessive force" is very subjective.
i believe that being a cop has its risks and they know that when they sign up.
so there is a line they must see, where a strong element of danger requires preventive force, but on the other hand, force shoud not be used excessively in the slightest possibility of danger.
with that said, i see excessive force bordering on disciplinary torture in the news via tasers, and its always with non-white people.

cop pulls over white woman with a suspended license, arrest ensues-

cop- ma'am please step out of the care
woman- NO!!! NO NO NO!!! I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!
cop- ma'am, please. i'm only doing my job
woman- YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME!!! (endless dramatic rant)
cop- please ma'am, you need to step out of the vehicle
woman- more endless ranting and refusal
cop- *calls for backup*
*5 cop cars show up and all officers proceed to politely beg her to get out of the car.*
woman- *refuses requests still and proceeds to cry 'police brutality'*
cops- *all proceed to force her out of the car with pushing, pulling, and begging*
woman- "POLICE BRUTALITY!!!!" *more endless crying and ranting*

ok, now a black woman gets pulled over with a suspended license, arrest ensues-

cop- *calls for backup* ma'am please step out of the car
woman- NO!!! NO NO NO!!! I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!
cop- ma'am, please. i'm only going to ask you one more time, and if you don't exit the vehicle you are resisting arrest.
woman- YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME!!! (dramatic rant)
cop- *pulls out taser* *zap*
woman- *drops out of car screaming and writhing in excruciating pain*

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
😑 ok Ive come to the conclusion that my posts must be in invisible ink or something since I just said that. 😖

My invisible ink decipherers are in the other car. I guess you could interpret my reiterating post as, "I agree and that's happened somewhere else and here's a point of view from somebody that's had that happened to them."

Oh no it wasnt that at all. Nevermind me, Im tired.

Its different in America - police carry guns (just as majority of population does) and its all shoot-to-kill.

I understand the case above, but as apolice officers he should have had other means of getting the woman out of the car - but this is from a British policing stance. Every country believes they have the best police systems.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its different in America - police carry guns (just as majority of population does) and its all shoot-to-kill.

I understand the case above, but as apolice officers he should have had other means of getting the woman out of the car - but this is from a British policing stance. Every country believes they have the best police systems.

Well in ireland guns are illegal, so the average cop only carries a baton... and our crime is bad, but nowhere near on the scale of the usa...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
police carry guns (just as majority of population does)

i just caught this. absolutely untrue in regards to the majority.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
When I was a kid (young teenager) I was running late for school, real late. I was running down the street and remembered my mom saying ,"if you ever need help, just look for a police officer."

I saw a cop car and ran over, told him I was late for school and asked if he could give me a lift. He said, "Sure".

Me not knowing better, I hopped in the back seat. Anyways, he took me to school, had to let me out of the back seat (in front of the whole school which made me an instant baddass by reputation) and I thanked him. His response was that his job was to SERVE AND PROTECT.

I don't think there are many cops out there like that anymore, but it sure was a good experience to have when you are a kid.

I think most people have guns in their homes, but you need a special permit to carry a gun on your own person.

About half the people I know own guns, and none of them carry them (unless they're hunting). I don't live in a neighborhood rivaling those in Boyz N' The Hood or The Godfather.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I think most people have guns in their homes, but you need a special permit to carry a gun on your own person.

yes, and they don't give away carrier permits like goverment cheese

I did get shot at a few times on the way to work this morning. At lunch I'll dodge a couple more bullets, and then it's constant drive-bys for me on the way home. If I'm lucky at night, I might get to have a beer or soda before I have to start ducking from my walls getting shredded with uzi fire.

Originally posted by PVS
yes, and they don't give away carrier permits like goverment cheese

Lots of Militias up here where I live...Terry Nichols homes is within an hour drive...

Originally posted by PVS
i just caught this. absolutely untrue in regards to the majority.

And by carry, i meant own. Statistics are clear, and evidently exclude you. Majority own them.

We pay the police salaries with our taxes. They should provide a service to protect our communities. If they fail we have a right to demand changes.

Not 100% certain about that majority thing, Lil.

I have no problem with the word 'Force'. Their main job is to enforce the law, after all.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We pay the police salaries with our taxes. They should provide a service to protect our communities. If they fail we have a right to demand changes.

yeah but don't also the Police pay taxes as well. So theoretically i could say they are self employed. 😉

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not 100% certain about that majority thing, Lil.

I have no problem with the word 'Force'. Their main job is to enforce the law, after all.

Yes, I agree, the word "force" as such is acceptable, but I think Lil B might have refered to the overly excessive use of force.

[edit]At least I took it that way, reading it again I am not sure actually.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I agree, the word "force" as such is acceptable, but I think Lil B might have refered to the overly excessive use of force.

[edit]At least I took it that way, reading it again I am not sure actually.

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Such as the 1985 John Shorthouse case, and the James Ashley one...etc.