You want proof? Here's your proof:
Assaj was pretty powerful (she was good enough to defeat Kit Fisto, survive Mace Windu, and barely lose to Anakin), as was Lumiara. Lumiara was an excellent fighter, and regarded by Obi-Wan as the greatest Soresou master
Dooku was an excellent fighter, but not good enough to take both.
there i hope you're satisfied.
Originally posted by Council#13
You want proof? Here's your proof:Assaj was pretty powerful (she was good enough to defeat Kit Fisto, survive Mace Windu, and barely lose to Anakin), as was Lumiara. Lumiara was an excellent fighter, and regarded by Obi-Wan as the greatest Soresou master
Dooku was an excellent fighter, but not good enough to take both.
there i hope you're satisfied.
Dooku whipped the floor with Asajj in a few seconds and he was just testing her. Lumiara isn't better then Obi-Wan (who) Dooku pwned in a few seconds while fighting Anakin.
Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Dooku whipped the floor with Asajj in a few seconds and he was just testing her. Lumiara isn't better then Obi-Wan (who) Dooku pwned in a few seconds while fighting Anakin.
that was before Asajj used the Dark Side more or some crap like that 😄.
Anyway, Obi-Wan considered Luminara the greatest Soresou master even during ROTS
Anyway, Anakin beat dooku who beat Obi, who beat Anakin, and thing get REALLY confusing from there
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Mace corrected Obi-wan on that Soresu thing and DOoku kept Asajj on a short elash, didn't teach her all he knew by far. Asajj was already strong by the time Dooku brought her down and he'd kill her in a moment. And MAkashi can break through Soresu
This is just a guess but since Obi-Wan went with Anakin against Dooku, he had to go on the offensive for them to work as a good pair, a Soresu user is more effective of defending then finding a weakness later on like Obi-Wan did too Anakin and Grievous.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Hmm... well he's older and thus would fatigue more quickly.
Good point, even the ROTS novel said in Chapter 2: Dooku, "However, only one death was in his plan, and this dumb show was becoming tiresome. Not to mention tiring. The dark power that served him only went so far, and he was, after all, not a young man."
Emphasis on the part that said "The dark power that served him only went SO FAR." So after whacking Asajj, the 2 Soresu fighters would hold him off until Dooku had a heart attack, a stroke, an aneurysm, or something along those lines. 'Naw mean?
there i hope you're satisfied.
Hardly.
Assaj was pretty powerful (she was good enough to defeat Kit Fisto, survive Mace Windu, and barely lose to Anakin), as was Lumiara. Lumiara was an excellent fighter, and regarded by Obi-Wan as the greatest Soresou master
You call THIS proof?
Barely lost to Anakin? Anakin was crushing her into the Ground and gave her no room to escape or run away.
Kit Fisto? Is that the same guy who got his ass handed to him by Sidious? Isn't Dooku the same guy who people argue can defeat Sidious in Lightsaber Combat?
The greatest Soresu master? Now hold on a damn minute here.
The greatest Soresu Master got tooled in the Purge by Clones? Kenobi managed to survive the Purge by utilizing Soresu better than her.... BUT she is the Greatest? Kenobi is obviously better than Luminara and did you see what happened when a True Master of Soresu tried to go up against Dooku? Complete and UTTER failure both times.
So... Luminara, who isn't a better Soresu practitioner than Kenobi, Is gonna beat the Man who toyed with one of the best Soresu Masters around?
Dooku was an excellent fighter, but not good enough to take both.
Come back when you actually have proof.
Not the crap you just spewed all over this thread.
Originally posted by Sorgo
[B]there i hope you're satisfied.Hardly.
Assaj was pretty powerful (she was good enough to defeat Kit Fisto, survive Mace Windu, and barely lose to Anakin), as was Lumiara. Lumiara was an excellent fighter, and regarded by Obi-Wan as the greatest Soresou master
You call THIS proof?
Barely lost to Anakin? Anakin was crushing her into the Ground and gave her no room to escape or run away.
Kit Fisto? Is that the same guy who got his ass handed to him by Sidious? Isn't Dooku the same guy who people argue can defeat Sidious in Lightsaber Combat?
The greatest Soresu master? Now hold on a damn minute here.
The greatest Soresu Master got tooled in the Purge by Clones? Kenobi managed to survive the Purge by utilizing Soresu better than her.... BUT she is the Greatest? Kenobi is obviously better than Luminara and did you see what happened when a True Master of Soresu tried to go up against Dooku? Complete and UTTER failure both times.
So... Luminara, who isn't a better Soresu practitioner than Kenobi, Is gonna beat the Man who toyed with one of the best Soresu Masters around?
Dooku was an excellent fighter, but not good enough to take both.Come back when you actually have proof.
Not the crap you just spewed all over this thread. [/B]
Cool it Sorgo. Stuff like that could get you restricted again. You wouldn't want that, now would you? So watch your manners, little one baby
Anyway, back on topic. I think you're way overestimating Dooku, while underestimating Luminara, Kit and Assaj. Things get really confusing in Star Wars duels, may I remind you. Anyway, it may be argued taht Dooku can beat Sidious, and it has been proved he beat Mace, but he did lose to Yoda, who lost to Sidious, who lost to Mace. Dooku also lost to Anakin, who lost to Obi-Wan. Anakin was barely able to defeat Assaj in anycase
I think you're way overestimating Dooku, while underestimating Luminara, Kit and Assaj.
No, you seem to be more underestimating Dooku and overestimating the others.
Anyway, it may be argued taht Dooku can beat Sidious, and it has been proved he beat Mace, but he did lose to Yoda, who lost to Sidious, who lost to Mace.
You put far too much stock in the "Oh, A beat B, and B beat C, therefore A has to beat C." Otherwise, explain the Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Dooku situation then.
Dooku also lost to Anakin, who lost to Obi-Wan.
Well, I guess by that logic, Obi-Wan should have tooled Dooku with ease.
Anakin was barely able to defeat Assaj in anycase
Last time I heard, she was tooled by Anakin with relative ease. The main thing is that we simply can't use all this A>B, B>C, therefore A>C logic because of all the variables in the fight. We already saw a master of Soresu and a practitioner of a rather aggresive style fight Dooku. And guess what, Obi-Wan got tooled in under half a minute (I wouldn't say this is because Soresu is bad against Makashi, but more because Obi-Wan had to mesh with Anakin, a practitioner of an offensively aggresive style, making him unable to actually use Soresu), and Anakin had to give in to his anger in order to finally defeat the Count. He only got enraged because his friend and mentor got nailed by Dooku. Luminara means nothing no Asajj, nor does Asajj mean anything to Luminara. So that won't exactly work. Luminara and Asajj hardly even know each other that well, so they are not going to have that cohesion Obi-Wan and Anakin had, and Luminara will probably have to mesh with Asajj as well, once again making her Soresu quite ineffective.
Dooku wins this.
Originally posted by Council#13
Cool it Sorgo. Stuff like that could get you restricted again. You wouldn't want that, now would you? So watch your manners, little one babyAnyway, back on topic. I think you're way overestimating Dooku, while underestimating Luminara, Kit and Assaj. Things get really confusing in Star Wars duels, may I remind you. Anyway, it may be argued taht Dooku can beat Sidious, and it has been proved he beat Mace, but he did lose to Yoda, who lost to Sidious, who lost to Mace. Dooku also lost to Anakin, who lost to Obi-Wan. Anakin was barely able to defeat Assaj in anycase
Cool it? Some little peon who's arguing is the equivalent of rotting dog shit is going to try to tell me what to do?
And then you have the nerve to dismiss your shitty second hand opinion as Proof?
Don't be calling me little one. Aren't you the one that doesn't show your true age on your profile? Why won't you show your age? Are you scared people wont listen to you because... YOU'RE the little one?
The logic you showed previously determines that Obi Wan could kick the crap out of Dooku.
Really? Is that what we saw?
Here is the flawed thing about your little Criss Cross Analogy, Council #13.
If Dooku lost to Anakin, whom Kenobi beat, THIS MUST MEAN KENOBI CAN BEAT DOOKU! OH MY GOD!
Either that or I just put your theory down the Toilet.
Dooku lost to Anakin under direct circumstance.
Let's not forget Asajj fought Anakin when he was a Padawan. And we all saw what happened to Anakin when he fought Dooku as a Padawan.... Why, his hand got lopped off!
So if I used your logic, I could say because Padawan Anakin beat Asajj and Dooku PWNED Padawan Anakin.... THEN DOOKU CAN KICK THE CRAP OUT ASAJJ! Kind of like he already did on the CW Cartoons, Correct?
This is boring...
Dooku tooled Ventress in 10 seconds without effort.
Dooku tooled Obi-Wan in 20 seconds twice without effort.
Dooku would do the same to Luminara.
Now considering the fact you have two Soresu users here, Ventress would jump in first and get pwned within seconds as Dooku already did in the CW cartoons. Leaves Luminara and Obi-Wan and since there is no "offensive" fighter left, Dooku would kick them around like he did with Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS - if any this would be worse. So this fight would be over in less than a minute...maybe it would take 2 if Dooku takes some Martini after destroying Ventress...
Originally posted by Sorgo
Cool it? Some little peon who's arguing is the equivalent of rotting dog shit is going to try to tell me what to do?And then you have the nerve to dismiss your shitty second hand opinion as Proof?
Don't be calling me little one. Aren't you the one that doesn't show your true age on your profile? Why won't you show your age? Are you scared people wont listen to you because... YOU'RE the little one?
The logic you showed previously determines that Obi Wan could kick the crap out of Dooku.
Really? Is that what we saw?
Here is the flawed thing about your little Criss Cross Analogy, Council #13.
If Dooku lost to Anakin, whom Kenobi beat, THIS MUST MEAN KENOBI CAN BEAT DOOKU! OH MY GOD!
Either that or I just put your theory down the Toilet.
Dooku lost to Anakin under direct circumstance.
Let's not forget Asajj fought Anakin when he was a Padawan. And we all saw what happened to Anakin when he fought Dooku as a Padawan.... Why, his hand got lopped off!
So if I used your logic, I could say because Padawan Anakin beat Asajj and Dooku PWNED Padawan Anakin.... THEN DOOKU CAN KICK THE CRAP OUT ASAJJ! Kind of like he already did on the CW Cartoons, Correct?
dude, cant you think of an insult without using such foul language?
Originally posted by Borbarad
This is boring...Dooku tooled Ventress in 10 seconds without effort.
Dooku tooled Obi-Wan in 20 seconds twice without effort.
Dooku would do the same to Luminara.Now considering the fact you have two Soresu users here, Ventress would jump in first and get pwned within seconds as Dooku already did in the CW cartoons. Leaves Luminara and Obi-Wan and since there is no "offensive" fighter left, Dooku would kick them around like he did with Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS - if any this would be worse. So this fight would be over in less than a minute...maybe it would take 2 if Dooku takes some Martini after destroying Ventress...
This was really all that needed to be said.