Eighth-Grader With Gun Shot by SWAT Team

Well said Afro ✅

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
That's not what I said though. I said him threatening the life of people with guns drawn on him was a self-applied death sentence. He doesn't have to actually have the means to kill them to threaten them, he just has to convince them that he does.

Everybody knows that if you point a gun at a cop, you get shot. I really don't understand why you're defending this kid. For all we know it was a suicide attempt he just didn't want to have to pull the trigger himself.

I'm not defending the kid... At no point have I said his actions were right or legal... I said that its wrong for the police in this situation to have shot the kid.

If another situation arose where a kid pulled a gun in class, Held 2 kids hostage and pointed his gun at police then I could understand the police taking him down as a last alternative... However here they had the chance to take this one alive, and they failed...

I don't think its right to kill people before they have there time in court. No matter how guilty he might appear on the surface they should try to take him alive...

It could of been a suicide, It could of been a prank gone wrong...
Either way, The police shouldn't of shot him...

They didn't fail, they succeeded in apprehending a threat or possible threat.

They aren't obliged to try nice alternatives when they could possibly be killed, or to please the public.

-AC

what was gonner kill them ac?? and how was he gonner harm the public? they were all ready long gone!
I don't think you can apprehend dead people... so by your own definition, They failed...

you keep generalising this situation...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
what was gonner kill them ac?? and how was he gonner harm the public? they were all ready long gone!
I don't think you can apprehend dead people... so by your own definition, They failed...

you keep generalising this situation...

They didn't know the gun was fake did they? Nobody has shown us otherwise. They obviously didn't know if the psychotic kid was about to pop a cap in their foreheads.

The kid got what he deserved in conjunction with his actions.

-AC

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
what was gonner kill them ac?? and how was he gonner harm the public? they were all ready long gone!
I don't think you can apprehend dead people... so by your own definition, They failed...

you keep generalising this situation...

No, he's not generalising... he specifying. In this situation, they did what they had to do.

Hang on.... did you read the story??? The dad phoned them and told them he didn't have one...
The kids brother told them he didn't have a real gun...
The boy who had a mini fight with the kid and got his hands on the gun realised it was a fake....

3 reliable sources told them.... So they were quite clued up on the situation.....

Source?

-AC

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Oh please....

PVS posted this before...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/14/teen.shot/index.html

"Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said. "

"One of Penley's classmates said he, too, thought the gun was real -- and that Penley was going to kill him -- until he grabbed the pistol and realized it was fake."

"Penley fled to an isolated alcove area and went into a restroom where he refused to speak with negotiators, the sheriff said."

Why did they end up shooting him?? they had every chance to know it wasn't real... and to top it all off he didn't even have any means of escape or even a hostage.. They could of easily tazered him or gased him...

Puts a bit of a spin on recent comments 😕

Thats what I've been trying to tell you... Why do you think I questioned there actions???

*waits for AC* 😂

I'll give my "I told you so" post any time your ready....

In light of that post, which I hadn't seen before (I must have missed a page or so), then I do agree that they made the wrong decision, completely. I said multiple times that if that was the case, they were wrong. I had never seen that article so with the current knowledge I had of the case, my opinion was correct.

The other possibility is that the "higher-ups" made the wrong move and didn't inform the cops, which also sucks.

The fact remains that if police feel their lives are in imminent danger, they do have the right to open fire.

-AC

I told you so.....

Yes, and I also told you that if that was the case, I agree. I had never seen the article and it's taken about a week for you to repost it.

-AC

Yer true sorry about that.... I should of informed you from the start...

After all you haven't really posted throught this thread... Nor did you post right after me....

It's just a shame that even grave mistakes like these still can't be avoided apperantly.. Maybe if people would be a bit more skeptical about the cops and the system of law..

I guess the country is too big for better evaluation and discussing in politics and police policies.

I think I owe you an apology, Hit... I have been posting from the start and I must have overlooked that information.

I still think it's an unfortunate chain of events, though.

Originally posted by Syren
I think I owe you an apology, Hit... I have been posting from the start and I must have overlooked that information.

Can I use this in my profile??? 😆

Don't worry about it! At least your man woman enough to admit your wrongs! your possition is understandable if the police didn't know he had a fake gun!